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| 18 Jan 2014 07:19 AM |
Listen. Is there a rule that stuff can't be cheaper than 10 dollars in real life? Nope.
So why should there be a rule that stuff can't be cheaper than 10 ROBLOX dollars in Roblox?
LOGIC
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:21 AM |
Comparing ROBLOX features to real-life in an attempt to justify removal of said features with flawlessly fail.
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:22 AM |
WNTS.
Also, not logic. This update actually made clothing makers THREE TIMES THE MONEY when it was first released. It's actually helping by also getting people to buy Robux or BC, making more money for ROBLOX to pay for the site and servers. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:23 AM |
CP, you are so stupid. THEY COULD MAKE THEIR OWN CLOTHES "THREE TIMES THE MONEY" INSTEAD OF BEING STUPID AND GOING ALONG WITH A STUPID UPDATE OF STUPIDNESS THAT IS USELESS AND STUPID.
AND ROBLOX ALREADY HAS BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:26 AM |
It really hasn't sorted out the copying problem at all. People could just copy the shirts/pants, and then not put them on-sale to use for themselves.
Support. |
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deltav
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:26 AM |
@coolblox could you not ad hominem |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:27 AM |
"People could just copy the shirts/pants, and then not put them on-sale to use for themselves."
The problem was that people could copy shirts/pants and sell them cheaply. The scenario you gave is a different problem altogether. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:28 AM |
"This update actually made clothing makers THREE TIMES THE MONEY when it was first released." and yet i rarely get any clothes sales
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:28 AM |
@coolblox2334
First, how am I stupid? You're the stupid one, look at what you type in.
Next, it's not invalid. Put this in ENGLISH, por favor:
THEY COULD MAKE THEIR OWN CLOTHES "THREE TIMES THE MONEY" INSTEAD OF BEING STUPID AND GOING ALONG WITH A STUPID UPDATE OF STUPIDNESS THAT IS USELESS AND STUPID.
Third, they don't have billions. And that money has to run out someday.
Finally, you can't say my argument is invalid when yours already is.
Please learn your facts. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:31 AM |
@deltav It isn't a completely different problem at all.
The original problem: You can't buy a shirt? Copy it and sell it!
The problem 2.0: You can't buy a shirt? Copy it and use it for yourself!
And the fact that nobody can really afford clothes without days of waiting, they haven't sorted anything out.
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:33 AM |
| Personally, I'm for the price floors. They're making ROBLOX money, and making clothing makers money. You want to do your whole "argument is invalid" crap, that's fine, just please remember that this update is against WNTS, and even if it wasn't, do you think the admins will remove something making them money? |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:33 AM |
"Put this in ENGLISH, por favor:
THEY COULD MAKE THEIR OWN CLOTHES "THREE TIMES THE MONEY" INSTEAD OF BEING STUPID AND GOING ALONG WITH A STUPID UPDATE OF STUPIDNESS THAT IS USELESS AND STUPID." translation: (since you cant understand) creators could make them three times the money by selling them for a lower price and getting more sales rather than roblox being stupid and making a stupid update thats useless |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:35 AM |
"The original problem: You can't buy a shirt? Copy it and sell it!
The problem 2.0: You can't buy a shirt? Copy it and use it for yourself!"
There are two different problems, similar to each other in process but otherwise having completely different intentions. Both of them existed before the price floor update.
The first problem was solved by the price floor update. It's less profitable now to copy someone else's work and sell it as your own.
The second problem has not been solved yet, as this would require extensive moderation, or a system that would automatically check similarities between clothes. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:42 AM |
"There are two different problems, similar to each other in process but otherwise having completely different intentions. Both of them existed before the price floor update.
The first problem was solved by the price floor update. It's less profitable now to copy someone else's work and sell it as your own.
The second problem has not been solved yet, as this would require extensive moderation, or a system that would automatically check similarities between clothes."
They're almost the exact same though, and the second one was caused by the first one existing. The first problem is still not fixed, too. The reason why the person would copy it is most likely because it was overpriced (e.g. R$100-R$1,500). It still isn't fixed as they can sell them as R$10, 100 tix. So this update has done absolutely nothing but make poor people poorer than they are. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 07:51 AM |
"They're almost the exact same though, and the second one was caused by the first one existing." Incorrect. The problems each exist for reasons that depend on the needs of the copier. The first case is chosen when the copier wants currency, the second case is chosen if the copier only wants the item itself.
And yes, the problem has only been partially fixed. However, it still is effective. Owners of clothes with pricing close to the price floor no longer have to drastically lower their prices when their works are copied. Clothes that are very expensive are not protected by this, and probably won't be unless a different method is proposed to fix this issue.
"So this update has done absolutely nothing but make poor people poorer than they are." This is not too much of an issue if said people can be patient, or earn their money in a different way other than the daily login bonus. It's also to encourage people to buy BC. Say whatever you want about greed, but ROBLOX is a company, and profit is what companies strife for. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 08:02 AM |
@deltav I'm not saying ROBLOX is greedy at all. Think about it this way: *Good games take ages to make. *Chances of getting it to the front page? *1 TIX per visit (you will need 100 people for a shirt/some pants) *10 days if you are willing to wait, but that is plain stupid. *Update has only partially had effect on the copying problem, but has affected the entire of ROBLOX by making it so it's hard to get shirts & pants without BC. *High quality shirts aren't too hard to make. *If you don't want somebody to copy your shirt, then sell it for a low price. *Copied shirts look gross anyways, and you know they aren't geniune from a mile away *There are easier ways to hide the shirt template (admins could change the texture location to a forbidden part of the site) *More people are affected because of this update (in a bad way). *As a clothing maker, I wouldn't care if someone copied my shirts. I used to make them for R$2 TIX:2. Their loss. *Did I mention copied shirts look gross and low quality anyways? *If you see a copied shirt, report it. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 08:06 AM |
| Did I also mention the second problem was probably almost as worse as the first one, and the second one is only in effect because of this update. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 08:09 AM |
"I'm not saying ROBLOX is greedy at all." I know. Just for those that do think so.
*Good games take ages to make.--Depends. A friend of mine made a decent game and gets a server or so of visitors daily. Of course, this isn't a good example as he also has support from others.
*Chances of getting it to the front page?--Front page isn't neccessary though. Having friends helps.
*1 TIX per visit (you will need 100 people for a shirt/some pants)--True. *10 days if you are willing to wait, but that is plain stupid.--Not really. Just play roblox, keep the clothing in the back of your head, and save up.
*Update has only partially had effect on the copying problem, but has affected the entire of ROBLOX by making it so it's hard to get shirts & pants without BC.--This is a good point.
*High quality shirts aren't too hard to make.--You'll have to elaborate on this one.
*If you don't want somebody to copy your shirt, then sell it for a low price.--The problem is that some people don't want this. They set a higher price for a reason.
*Copied shirts look gross anyways, and you know they aren't geniune from a mile away--I don't have experience with this.
*There are easier ways to hide the shirt template (admins could change the texture location to a forbidden part of the site)--If this could work as a solution, then I'd support it.
*More people are affected because of this update (in a bad way).--True.
*As a clothing maker, I wouldn't care if someone copied my shirts. I used to make them for R$2 TIX:2. Their loss.--Kind of an odd pricing though, considering you'd have to be out of your mind to buy it with R$.
*Did I mention copied shirts look gross and low quality anyways?--Once again, no experience with this.
*If you see a copied shirt, report it.--Hmmmyeah. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 08:11 AM |
"Did I also mention the second problem was probably almost as worse as the first one, and the second one is only in effect because of this update." Not really. The second problem is at least kept to itself. The first problem means that not only someone copies it, but that people who wouldn't have copied the shirt buy it anyway. It's wider-spread, more people are affected by it. |
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| 18 Jan 2014 08:21 AM |
*Good games take ages to make.--Depends. A friend of mine made a decent game and gets a server or so of visitors daily. Of course, this isn't a good example as he also has support from others. -- I guess so.
*Chances of getting it to the front page?--Front page isn't neccessary though. Having friends helps. -- Most of my friends are offline most of the time, some would help, but others will be doing group activities and such.
*10 days if you are willing to wait, but that is plain stupid.--Not really. Just play roblox, keep the clothing in the back of your head, and save up. -- But waiting 10 days is a long time (roughly a third of a month), and a full set would cost 200 all together, which is 20 days, even longer.
*High quality shirts aren't too hard to make.--You'll have to elaborate on this one. -- It generally takes an hour, to a day at the max.
*If you don't want somebody to copy your shirt, then sell it for a low price.--The problem is that some people don't want this. They set a higher price for a reason. -- Yeah, but that becomes a problem for them when somebody copies it. If ROBLOX thought out a way to get rid of copiers, then they could do whatever they want.
*Copied shirts look gross anyways, and you know they aren't geniune from a mile away--I don't have experience with this. -- There is grey lines on the edges of the shirt, and the shirt quality has decreased altogether
*As a clothing maker, I wouldn't care if someone copied my shirts. I used to make them for R$2 TIX:2. Their loss.--Kind of an odd pricing though, considering you'd have to be out of your mind to buy it with R$. -- I added the R$ thing, incase someone feels generous.
*Did I mention copied shirts look gross and low quality anyways?--Once again, no experience with this. -- There is grey lines on the edges of the shirt, and the shirt quality has decreased altogether.
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| 18 Jan 2014 08:50 AM |
If you don't post constructively, then your opinion is not worth listening to.
WNTS, first of all Second, you have to look through the eyes of the ROBLOX staff. The price floor, from a business standpoint is actually an incredibly wise move. It'll make whiners like you either quit or buy a form of BC membership. ROBLOX will be fine with or without you
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| 18 Jan 2014 09:05 AM |
| Get used to it because it's not going away. Boycotting against this idea once more is just a waste of our time. |
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