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Re: I don't see how TGI won...

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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:10 PM
(Not my words, Yeller's words ( http://www.roblox.com/User.aspx?ID=402411 )

I think basically all of the major claims of VAK breaking war terms don't work out so well.

-VAK updated their base too much, made it unfair, broke war terms by updating base."

The war terms say that neither team can update their base to be unfair to a high degree. That means 2 shot hand cannons, tanks, ATAC's, etc. We do not have 2 shot hand cannons or any OP vehicles there. All the updated we did were out of courtesy since Tober refused to raid or defend once we caught up in the raid wins, and said we had to update our base before he would raid again. We had to do just that.

-VAK flamed too much. That is against the war terms.

Agreed. We did flame too much. But so did TGI. Also, what exactly is the line between a flame, and a statement/fact, or just a foolish phrase? The world may never know. I've asked a bunch of people what they consider a flame, and I got mixed results. Some say it has to be a very direct insult, others say dying and saying "lol scrub" is a major flame.

-VAK retreated from their base/ordered not to defend.

I saw the screenshot of Arcane ordering not to defend. That was her telling us to not make SMO official with 5 Vaktovians when there were flooded servers of TGI there, as we would have no chance, and it would be giving TGI a win, which would be just silly to do on purpose. As such, we have proof that Tober ordered full retreats, and not just refusals to defend the servers we flood into. The fact of the matter is that TGI made the servers official for us, and after we captured the bomb, we would have 2-4 of them leave, and trying to claim that it is unofficial due to lack of members and the bomb is "broken". The bomb wasn't broken, it was designed to work as long as 5 TGI were present in that server. It supposed to STOP TGI from leaving, but they tried to work around it as it being "broken", yet they never fixed it.
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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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13 Jan 2014 11:11 PM
the flame bait is real everyone

2319

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momo113 is not online. momo113
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13 Jan 2014 11:11 PM
here we go againnnnnnnnn

~ Less qq more Pew Pew! ~
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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:12 PM
Honestly no idea how this can be considered Flame Bait (Not even in VAK/VAC)
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CabooseUGAN is not online. CabooseUGAN
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13 Jan 2014 11:12 PM
Get insured.
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The13thHippie is not online. The13thHippie
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13 Jan 2014 11:13 PM
It was an endurance war, whoever backed out of it, for any reason, lost, plain and simple.

No excuses.


-Common Sense: Use it.
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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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13 Jan 2014 11:13 PM
You don't have to be in VAK/VAC/TGI/TAG for it to be flamebait...

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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:14 PM
"It was an endurance war, whoever backed out of it, for any reason, lost, plain and simple.

No excuses."

THANK YOU, SO MUCH!
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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:15 PM
Give me one reason... How this is flame bait... This is just Yeller's words, that I completely agree with. I think more people should see.
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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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13 Jan 2014 11:17 PM
i thought it was a tie and both of them just silently stopped
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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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13 Jan 2014 11:17 PM
Literally anything that comes up about the VAKvTGI war turns to an argument about the war itself.

and plus imo VAK is incredibly boring and I'm glad TGI stopped fighting them

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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:18 PM
"I'm glad TGI stopped fighting them"

They have stopped raiding VAK, but VAK hasn't stopped raiding them. Good job VAK.
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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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13 Jan 2014 11:19 PM
just because VAK is acting like the obsessive girlfriend doesn't mean they're doing a good job.

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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:21 PM
Um...

They are not a "obsessive girlfriend"

It's this thing called perseverance. Something TGI lacks, they claimed an Auto Win to get out of this war.
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The13thHippie is not online. The13thHippie
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13 Jan 2014 11:21 PM
@Moolego: No, TGI just dropped out one day, doing what every other group does and claim autowin on the basis that VAK broke the terms of war, when it was an endurance war and there weren't any firm rules from the get-go.


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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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13 Jan 2014 11:22 PM
THEN LEAVE IT ALONE AND LET TGI HAVE THEIR OWN WIN

and yes they are acting like an obsessive girlfriend

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LordFlexo is not online. LordFlexo
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13 Jan 2014 11:22 PM
Icy, just the will and pride, and Vaktus himself stating 'Vaktovians never quit, never surrender, we fight and fight and fight until they surrender, or die' just really knocks the Arcaneclone statement out of the question, therefore Arcane lost endurance, and pretty much embarrassed VAK the clan that 'never retreats' or 'loses hope and endurance' to a level that it just shows, they had no more endurance for a while.

Tober ordering a full retreat isn't really a big-deal. Retreating is just another raid win in my eyes. But ORDERING your VAK's to not even touch the server button, and use VAC's as a decoy and just force the server into a useless state, where defending is just worthless and you get NOWHERE is not really 'fun'.
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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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13 Jan 2014 11:24 PM
"Tober ordering a full retreat isn't really a big-deal. Retreating is just another raid win in my eyes."

your logic. wtf.

also your one sided argument is hilarious because TGI did the exact same
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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:24 PM
Why should VAK let TGI chicken out of a war? That doesn't seem right. I'm glad they are sticking it out, still fighting for what they know is right. If a clan needs to claim auto wins, that clan doesn't deserve a win.

Gg.
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lcyBIade is not online. lcyBIade
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13 Jan 2014 11:25 PM
@Flexo

ToberDam Also ordered TGI not to defend their own fort for what... A week? Two weeks?
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arcaneclone is not online. arcaneclone
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13 Jan 2014 11:25 PM
Awkward moment when the part about ES and their bomb being broken at the time kills that.
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LordFlexo is not online. LordFlexo
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13 Jan 2014 11:26 PM
'Why should VAK let TGI chicken out of a war?'

Not really chickened out, we've provided enough evidence that the war is at a pointless state.

And no, we never claimed autowin, I question C&G's logic sometimes, do you see VAK in the victory list in TGI?
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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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13 Jan 2014 11:26 PM
how about TGI claims their win and VAK claims their win that they apparently have in the bag.

"Why should VAK let TGI chicken out of a war?"

this doesn't make sense on 2 levels:

level 1: "out of a war" that implies that they never went to war in the first place"

Level 2: why the heck would VAK not take the win that is sitting right in front of them and claim they beat the glorious TGI and are sooooo much better?

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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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13 Jan 2014 11:27 PM
agreed

there really weren't war terms to begin with, let alone detailed ones or a lot of them

tgi's just declared they win and shut the door because they can't handle it

at least VAK's still going; they're the obvious winner of this endurance war.

it's like having a staring competition between VAK and TGI and then TGI turns around and says "YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN EYE CONTACT WITH ME AT ALL TIMES, YOU BROKE THE RULES HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" and leaves
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arcaneclone is not online. arcaneclone
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13 Jan 2014 11:27 PM
And no, we never claimed autowin, I question C&G's logic sometimes, do you see VAK in the victory list in TGI?

And no, we never claimed autowin

we never claimed autowin

never

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Died.
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