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IngeniumNexus is not online. IngeniumNexus
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13 Jan 2014 08:49 PM
I changed my name (since the last name I changed it to, it was apparently very close to another name that was pretty infamous on CnG), so I decided to search up my previous name (Flaimus) to place them on my Forum History, and I came across this thread:
http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=122842249


Since I was unable to defend myself on the original thread, I needed to make another thread to try to put in more details so that people would not misunderstand what really happened.

These are in order that EchoReaper posted on his original thread.

'Annoyance 1': This was really the only one that he directly related to me. First off, I did not correct every single one of the mistakes in the example he posted (or in anything, for that matter). When I asked a question, and people stated how the info within my question was wrong, I merely stated how it wasn't. That was the only thing I was really doing on that thread he posted as the example.

'Annoyance 2': This one is just an extension of the first annoyance, but since it was on our Skype chat, he was unable to paste an example link, thus made it a separate Annoyance (at least, I think that was his logic behind it). I was rewording it multiple times, but any sane person would get annoyed when they have to repeat themselves over and over and over again.

'Annoyance 3': This one is really the only one that doesn't even touch on me (since I don't know him IRL), but I still see where this "nerd" was coming from. If the 'nerd', and at least most of everybody else, worked hard making the paper, why should EchoReaper get a free 100 just by posting a troll-face on it? That both isn't fair, and isn't right. This one is really the only one that I would say is non-debatable, since EchoReaper was the one in the wrong 100% on this one.

'Annoyance 4': He has also yet to state how he himself also falls under this annoyance, since he also won't accept the problems he has (This is referring to a PM discussion we have been having). One of which (which is also one of the two reasons why I posted this) is that he says how he has no weaknesses in his personality, while pointing out all the personality weaknesses that I have. I defend myself a bit, not by stating how I don't have weaknesses (which I admit I do), but by pointing out his. He then turns around and states how I "attacked" him, while also making the original thread that I am responding to.

'Annoyance 5': The main issue I have with this one is the last sentence: "I usually make them cry because they thought I was their best friend ever". EchoReaper, you shouldn't think that you are the center of people's universes, and how these intelligent people that you tend to hang out with don't have other friends. This falls under one of your weaknesses that I mentioned in the PM: your extreme arrogance.


Also, if you guys want the current copy of the PM, I will be willing to make another thread of only it, and link it here.
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13 Jan 2014 08:50 PM
tl;dr
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IngeniumNexus is not online. IngeniumNexus
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13 Jan 2014 08:53 PM
TL;DR Version:
EchoReaper stretches the truth and is a hypocrite.
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iLogan32 is not online. iLogan32
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13 Jan 2014 08:54 PM
Plot Twist: OP stretches the truth and is the real hypocrite.

~u just got shrekt~
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IngeniumNexus is not online. IngeniumNexus
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13 Jan 2014 08:56 PM
iLogan; As I said, I can post the PM between me and EchoReaper if you wish.
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13 Jan 2014 08:59 PM
mmmmkay
post it

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13 Jan 2014 09:07 PM
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On 1/13/2014 at 8:03 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
[Poster's Note: This is what has been sent back and forth so far. More might be added in the future.]

Okay, that was annoying...I had the whole thing finished, but when I went to hit the Backspace button, it decided to go back a page, and I lost it. >.<
Anyways, Take Two; and I really hate how the PM box has two scroll-bars...

Just in case the point wasn't made: I never "attacked" you. I explained to you my point of view, and you turned around and made yourself a "perfect" person by stating how you have overcome *all* of your weaknesses, and how I should attempt to overcome mine, even though most of your weaknesses, you still have.

Arrogance is a very bad thing to have, in case you didn't know, and should never be something to be proud of. In case you just misunderstood what arrogance is, it is when you see yourself as better than others, by having an over-exaggerated sense of your own importance and abilities. This also bleeds into your judgmental-ness.

Secondly, the "fear of failure" should not be understood as "the fear to admit failure". Those are two totally different things. The fear to admit failure is just an immaturity thing, and has nothing to do with somebody's personality. The fear of failure itself, however, is about wanting to check and double check everything because we fear that we are missing a crucial piece of information (which is stated if you would read the next sentence). It also goes into that we tend to regret things much longer, because we "spend ages reflecting on [our] actions".

I would also like to backtrack a paragraph, or another way to put it, a lack of a paragraph. You took my explanation of 'Relative IQ' and went right into explaining how you think that I just don't want to admit that I was wrong. Presently, to me, it just sounds like it makes a lot of sense to you, and *you* don't want to admit that you were wrong.

This is something that I will never be able to understand about a lot of people:

Person explains how they have no weaknesses, and how I do.
I defend myself.
Person yells at me that I am "attacking" them.

People have a nice strong relationship.
One bad thing happens that they do not agree with.
They "break up" the relationship.

Also, unless you *really* don't want to continue this conversation, I would like to continue it until it is resolved (though that does not necessarily mean that you have to add me back). As I told you before, I like resolutions, and hate frayed ends.

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On 1/13/2014 at 6:24 PM, EchoReaper wrote:
For instance, you are still pretty judgmental (which is one of the weaknesses of INTJ's).
That is another one of your weaknesses that you have yet to overcome, being a perfectionist.
You are also still arrogant (another INTJ weakness), because you think you have overcome all of your personality weaknesses.

Not going to argue with those. I take pride in being judgmental though. As for being a perfectionist, I can see when it's bad -- I try to minimize it when it causes negative side-effects, but still another aspect I take pride in. I also enjoy being arrogant. I don't think I'll ever be free of those because I take pride in them.

1) Likely to over-analyze everything. INTJs tend to believe that everything can be analyzed, even things that are not necessarily rational – e.g. human relationships. They may seek logical explanations and solutions in every situation, refusing to rely on improvisation or their own emotions.
Eh, someone ticks me off, I just don't care -- I wouldn't say that I seek explanations and solutions(hence, why I didn't PM you until you asked me for a response)

2) May be insensitive. INTJ personalities often pride themselves in being brutally honest and logical. However, while their statements may be rational and completely correct, they may not take into account another person’s emotional state, background, individual circumstances etc. Consequently, the INTJ’s directness and honesty may easily hurt other people, thus becoming a major weakness in social situations.
I'm only brutally honest when I don't care about a particular relationship anymore.

Then there another weaknesses that I don't know you enough to say yay or nay to: Loathing Structured Environments.
I don't know where you got that from. I've always pondered ways to structure groups and development teams to maximize management.

Basically, what I am saying is that you should not say "I have mastered my weaknesses, so I shall judge you for not mastering yours", because that right there is two of your personality weaknesses: arrogant and judgmental.
I removed you because I didn't want to associate with someone that was unpleasant to communicate with. You asked me why I removed you, and I told you. I don't see anything wrong with that. It's the same as if you deleted someone from your contacts after they repeatedly spammed you.

I have always been able to understand somebody emotionally (on the most part), because since I could talk, my parents always taught me to "imagine yourself in their shoes", and also because on the most part, I have already been in their predicament. The main weakness I still have though, is not being able to understand how "normal" people think, since I have always been a "genius" (according to IQ).

"One of the few bottlenecks that INTPs impose upon themselves is their restless fear of possible failure." A.K.A. fear of admitting that they are wrong. I had left this part out in the original message as to not bias your response. I had hoped that you would have been able to admit where you were wrong. I had pointed out two weaknesses: "You are unable to understand other people" and the fact that you have personality weaknesses, with the intent of helping you. I didn't aggressively attack you in any way. Your response began with aggressive attacks on me, and changed the topic from you to me. This is something that I will never be able to understand about other people:

Person wants me to script them something.
I don't want to script them something
Person starts yelling that I should script for them.

Person wants a position in a group.
I tell them that they have to work for it.
Person yells at me that I'm an idiot.

Person would greatly enjoy if I added them back, and tells me their point of view
I return the favor and tell them why I acted the way I did
Person attacks me as if I was trying to ruin them.

Just in case the point wasn't made: I never "attacked" you. You asked why I removed you, and I told you why. I offered that if you fixed the reasons that caused me to delete you from my contacts, I would happily add you back -- I never said "Do this." It was(is) completely up to you to make the choice whether to act on that or not.

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On 1/13/2014 at 5:14 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
...?

[Poster's Note: Right here, it seperated into a second PM, which is why I was able to send twice. I pasted them together for fluidness.]
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On 1/12/2014 at 12:15:10 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
Actually, I do understand stuff from another person's point of view very well. I have actually overcome the personality weakness on the most part, and nobody can iron out all of their weaknesses. For instance, you are still pretty judgmental (which is one of the weaknesses of INTJ's). In case you don't see how, it is because you are judging people only on their weaknesses. You say "I don't like that weakness of yours", and you remove the person even though that is the only reason why. There is no perfect person, or perfect relationship, on the planet. That is another one of your weaknesses that you have yet to overcome, being a perfectionist. Though it is good at some cases, it isn't in most. You are also still arrogant (another INTJ weakness), because you think you have overcome all of your personality weaknesses. To be honest, you have yet to overcome just about every one of your personality weaknesses, here are the others, and why you haven't:

1) Likely to over-analyze everything. INTJs tend to believe that everything can be analyzed, even things that are not necessarily rational – e.g. human relationships. They may seek logical explanations and solutions in every situation, refusing to rely on improvisation or their own emotions.
This one, for instance.

2) May be insensitive. INTJ personalities often pride themselves in being brutally honest and logical. However, while their statements may be rational and completely correct, they may not take into account another person’s emotional state, background, individual circumstances etc. Consequently, the INTJ’s directness and honesty may easily hurt other people, thus becoming a major weakness in social situations.
Also in this instance

Then there another weaknesses that I don't know you enough to say yay or nay to: Loathing Structured Environments.

Basically, what I am saying is that you should not say "I have mastered my weaknesses, so I shall judge you for not mastering yours", because that right there is two of your personality weaknesses: arrogant and judgmental.

I have always been able to understand somebody emotionally (on the most part), because since I could talk, my parents always taught me to "imagine yourself in their shoes", and also because on the most part, I have already been in their predicament. The main weakness I still have though, is not being able to understand how "normal" people think, since I have always been a "genius" (according to IQ).

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On 1/12/2014 at 1:02 AM, EchoReaper wrote:
"People with this personality type may also find it quite difficult to explain their thoughts to others, even when it becomes obvious that their theories are not easily graspable. INTPs may also move on to another topic before their co-workers or partners have figured out what the INTP wanted to say. "

You can overcome your personality weakness -- I am an INTJ, and have overcome every single one of the weaknesses through sheer practice. Your best bet is to learn to understand other people -- try to see the world from their perspective.

" If you then relate mine, for instance, as 100, that means that anybody that is 20 points below me (since 80 is 20 below 100), at 119, is seen as an [R Word] to me. This means that, to me, somebody can still be considered "Gifted", but still be [R Word]." Can't really help you much here -- I've always been able to see the world from another's point of view(which is why I hadn't done this sooner to you). Again though, just try to understand the world from others' views.

A helpful goal though(and my goal as well): Even though you're intelligent, be as communicable as extroverts. Your duty to society is not only to make it a better place for future people, but improve it for those currently around you. no matter how long we fix our gazes on improving the future, we will never arrive there until we cut the chains holding us back in the present. For me, this means being socially pleasing, and someone that people can talk to. The best leaders in the world have strengths from multiple personality types. With enough effort, you can overcome the weaknesses of a INTP, and begin to absorb strengths of other personality types. You come up with a plan for this, and try to understand other people, and I'll gladly add you back.

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On 1/11/2014 at 10:56 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
Now, before I get started, I would like to make sure that some points are clear, so that there is no misunderstanding:
1) I am not asking you to add me back (even though I would still greatly enjoy it).
2) This is not excuses for what I was saying. This is merely so that you can understand my side on it. If you still do not want to talk to me afterwards, then okay.

Anyways, what might explain is two things:
The first one that could explain a huge part of it is my "Personality Type", according to the Myers-Briggs Personality test: INTP. You can find a complete (but relatively long) explanation on it at 16personalities [com] /intp-personality ; however, I am just going to pull out the quote from it that is the most important in this issue.
"People with this personality type may also find it quite difficult to explain their thoughts to others, even when it becomes obvious that their theories are not easily graspable."
"INTP personalities are usually proud of their extensive knowledge and reasoning abilities, but they may get easily frustrated trying to describe their thoughts other people. INTPs enjoy presenting their ideas to other people, but explaining how they got from A to Z is another matter."

The second one would explain why I called some of them [R Word]. It is a personal theory that I call "Relative IQ".
In case you don't know the details of IQ, I added in this section. If you do know the details, then you can skip this paragraph and go to the next one. Anyways, what is considered 'average' is an IQ of 100 (even though the average person scores 111). [R Word] is considered for anybody that is below 80. Gifted is anybody that is 118+, and genius is 140+.
[End of the possible skip]
Now then, for this example, lets bring in mine (139). To a genius, all other geniuses seem average; to a gifted, all other gifted seem average; and to a [R Word], all other [R Word]s seem average. If you then relate mine, for instance, as 100, that means that anybody that is 20 points below me (since 80 is 20 below 100), at 119, is seen as an [R Word] to me. This means that, to me, somebody can still be considered "Gifted", but still be [R Word].

If you read it, could you please respond, at least saying that you read it?
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13 Jan 2014 09:08 PM
tl;dr version pls
i can only take so much cancer

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13 Jan 2014 09:08 PM
Well, that was a long one. Probably should have made a separate Non-Reply-Able thread and just pasted the link here, so that this thread wouldn't be so long.
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13 Jan 2014 09:26 PM
TL;DR Version of the PM's (Sorry it took me a bit; I was trying to summarize it as much as I can without losing too much info):

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On 1/13/2014 at 8:03 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
[Poster's Note: This is what has been sent back and forth so far. More might be added in the future.]
I didn't Attack you
Arrogance is actually a bad thing (and so is being judgemental)
Fear of Failure is wanting to double check ourselves, and not that we don't want to admit failure, which is actually a maturity issue, not a personallity issue.
I think that you just don't want to admit that you are wrong
[Stuff I already said in the OP]

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On 1/13/2014 at 6:24 PM, EchoReaper wrote:
I think being arrogant and judgemental is a good thing.
If somebody ticks me off, I don't care what I say to them.
I am brutally honest when I do not care about a relationship
I don't have the personality weakness of "Loathing Structured Environments".
I removed you because I don't like you anymore.
One of your personality weaknesses being an INTP is that you don't want to admit failure.
[Stuff he already said in his original thread.]
I did not attack you, you attacked me.

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On 1/13/2014 at 5:14 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
...?

[Poster's Note: Right here, it seperated into a second PM, which is why I was able to send twice. I pasted them together for fluidness.]
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On 1/12/2014 at 12:15:10 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
I do understand somebody else's point of view.
You are judgmental, major perfectionist, and arrogant [Poster's Note: He is an INTJ]. Don't say that you have no personality weaknesses.
You also over-analyze everything.
You also are very insensitive at times.
I don't know if you Loath Structured Environments or not (Another INTJ Personality Weakness).
You should not say "I have mastered my weaknesses, so I shall judge you for not mastering yours". That is judgmental and arrogant.
[Goes back into my Relative IQ theory, and restates the first sentence of this message]

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On 1/12/2014 at 1:02 AM, EchoReaper wrote:
You can overcome your personality weakness. I have overcome every single one of my INTJ Personality weaknesses.
I have always been able to understand from another's Point of View.
You should try to overcome yours.

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On 1/11/2014 at 10:56 PM, IngeniumNexus wrote:
These are not exuses, and I am not asking you to add me back.
One of my personality weaknesses is being able to state "Z", but having a hard time explaining how I got from "A" to "Z".
[Poster's Note: This is referring to the original thread that EchoReaper pasted on his thread]
There is a theory of mine called "Relative IQ", in which the higher IQ you have, the more people seem [not so smart] to you.
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13 Jan 2014 09:35 PM
About my Relative IQ theory, here it is in more detail:

First off, you need to know the 'checkpoints' of the different qualifications within the IQ numbering system.

80: A Roblox-Banned word, that we will just call "mentally dim", or just "dim".
100: The technical 'average' IQ (Average person scores a 111 last I checked).
118: "Gifted"
140: Genius

Now, lets say that you have an IQ of 125 (No, this is not my IQ). Other people at 125 would seem average to you. To take that into consideration, recalibrate the numbers stated above so that 125 would be 'average'. If you do that, that would make 105 the "dim" mark to you (since 100-20=80 and 125-20=105). In the opposite direction, somebody would have to have an IQ of 165 to seem like a genius to you (since 100+40=140 and 125+40=165).

That is my theory of Relative IQ.
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