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Re: Reality behind TGI-Vak War

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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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04 Jan 2014 04:12 AM
There's a key difference between Vak and TGI, besides the petty stuff, like discipline or uniforms. That difference is how our groups and leaders view wars on Roblox.

Vaktus and the Vaktovian Empire view wars on Roblox as miniature versions of wars in real life. There is nothing unfair in a war, and doing whatever it takes to win is only natural. Occupying empty servers is the same as occupying enemy territory. As such, doing things such as updating a base to give yourself an advantage isn't just practical, it's morally right. It's like a country that's not doing so well in a war resorting to chemical weapons, which is an easy decision, considering that there are no human lives or anything significant at stake.

However, Castellian and TGI in general view wars on Roblox as large games. Any leaders or Emperors or Commanders are merely so in games, teams, and roleplay only, and what they command is less like an army and more like, to them, a team. As such, altering something to your advantage would be the same as shrinking your team's goal in soccer. Not only is it immoral, but it forfeits the game. Of course, there'd be nothing wrong with doing the same thing after the other team had done it, but because they other team reduced their goal size first, the team that didn't do so will always be in the right, even should they decrease their goal size after to make it even. For us, occupying enemy servers while no one's there is the same as showing up to a court or field when there's no one on the opposing team.

That's the ultimate difference in this war, and the ultimate difference in how people view who won. One side views it as a miniature war to prove superiority, and the other as a large game to prove superiority. Well, at least, that's what I've taken from it.
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DukeofBurgundy is not online. DukeofBurgundy
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04 Jan 2014 04:15 AM
i like to kill lego men
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DrDracul is not online. DrDracul
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04 Jan 2014 04:15 AM
Duke is correct
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rmouser99 is not online. rmouser99
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04 Jan 2014 04:16 AM
much tl;dr boomerangs kill all k so vak should use boomerangs and rek tgi b4 tgi uses boomerangs and reks vak or sometin k
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LordAngeloss is not online. LordAngeloss
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04 Jan 2014 04:16 AM
" For us, occupying enemy servers while no one's there is the same as showing up to a court or field when there's no one on the opposing team." -Don't say that TGI/TAG didn't do the same thing, because I'm pretty sure they did.
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DrHedgehogs is not online. DrHedgehogs
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04 Jan 2014 04:17 AM
VAK* not Vak.

_//:[Black Arrow Security; Second in Command]
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DrDracul is not online. DrDracul
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04 Jan 2014 04:17 AM
I like your reasoning though, be it a bit biased if it may
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EpicWarrior234 is not online. EpicWarrior234
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04 Jan 2014 04:17 AM
Yes, a key difference indeed.

The name,

by Jolly! We solved the case!

srry not englosh
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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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04 Jan 2014 04:17 AM
More as a protest to get Vak to patrol, though.
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DrDracul is not online. DrDracul
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04 Jan 2014 04:18 AM
We do patrol

There was an official server earlier

But the two raiders left

:c
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Shadow9633 is not online. Shadow9633
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04 Jan 2014 04:19 AM
hmm
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LordAngeloss is not online. LordAngeloss
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04 Jan 2014 04:20 AM
"More as a protest to get Vak to patrol, though." -How do you know that VAK did not do the same, because only when Castellian got back was when TGI got more active.
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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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04 Jan 2014 04:22 AM
I don't. I would recommend looking back to the goal metaphor.
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awesomealan1 is not online. awesomealan1
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04 Jan 2014 04:28 AM
"Vak"

VAK*
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awesomealan1 is not online. awesomealan1
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04 Jan 2014 04:28 AM
That's like saying "Tgi"
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Retrodagger is not online. Retrodagger
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04 Jan 2014 04:37 AM
This is very bias to TGI.
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xelorTIME is not online. xelorTIME
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04 Jan 2014 04:40 AM
This is absurdly un-true.

Your statements summarized:
1- Vaktus and VAK mistaken the virtual war as physical reality and thus take everything to an advantage such as empty server raiding.
2- TGI on the other hand have clearly comprehended that this is merely a virtual war.
3- VAK have updated their base granting them a distinct advantage.

Responding to your first statement, you imply that Vaktus takes this war too seriously WITHOUT giving evidence. You simply made assumptions that this fact has led to his empty server raids. There is no doubt that VAK did indeed fill up some servers so they would automatically outnumber the enemy. This also has happed in SMO with TGI so this is NOTHING special in any side.

Did he indeed take this war too seriously? Is that why he responded with a role play lecture on youtube which clearly signifies that he was having fun. Whilst Toberdam has actually posted a proper war lecture including swear words. This implies that Toberdam already believes that this is an "older-people's war" which in my eyes shows he is taking this very seriously.


Responding to your 3rd statement, VAK did indeed update their base. More noticeable, you cannot camouflage. Reviewing ToberDam's conditions, this is NOT a violation of any of the terms. Also, VAK reminded TGI to enforce it's uniform policy which TGI did attempt to but the public were ready to adopt the camouflage. VAK then updating its base to minimize camouflage capability which you really can't complain. VAK don't use camo in Stronghold, it's almost making it more fair.

Other updates did indeed reconstruct the base, NO ONE has proven that this has been done deliberately to give VAK the advantage so it is unfair to point fingers that they are constantly trying to make it harder for TGI.


So, the reality isn't that VAK-TGI war you have portrayed. The reality is that Vaktus has PREDICTED the outcome of the war which is why he has accepted in the first place. TGI accidently made VAK more popular, he even mentioned that he is "having a laugh" about it with the generals and he even "enjoys the war".
VAK are clearly ready to go on until TGI surrender. TGI are trying to gain C&G's side by manipulating the reality so they can conclude that TGI won which is what you are doing right now.
PATHETIC.
And this is not biased, I'm not even a VAK!

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Inductive is not online. Inductive
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04 Jan 2014 04:55 AM
Vaktus doesn't view it as more than a virtual war on a game, but he views it as a war on a game, rather than a virtual game of war. That was the entire argument here.

As for your other arguments about not being able to prove that the updates were specifically designed to help Vak, I really don't believe that you've ever been to SMO if you need to question that.
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warpendeshia is not online. warpendeshia
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04 Jan 2014 04:56 AM
i like to kill lego men
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thea96 is not online. thea96
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04 Jan 2014 04:57 AM
yo xelor hi
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Vazim is not online. Vazim
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04 Jan 2014 08:21 AM
Yep.
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look01 is not online. look01
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04 Jan 2014 08:22 AM
in reality this is just a big thread flaming VAK because "we take war to seriously"
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meepo44 is not online. meepo44
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04 Jan 2014 09:08 AM
Pretty sure thats because the vakkies didnt show up. We left slots in game for the vaks to enter. They simply didnt.
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Epicus is not online. Epicus
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04 Jan 2014 09:24 AM
What's the point of this argument?
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treecow5441 is not online. treecow5441
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04 Jan 2014 09:38 AM
to prove the law of gravity
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