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Re: Do you think Chechnya should become independent from Russia?

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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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01 Jan 2014 03:46 PM
The Chechens are believed responsible for the Bombings in Russia, The chechens have been constantly fighting the Russians for the russian Owned state of Chechnya to become independent and have been responsible for a Number of Terrorist attacks in Russia, and Chechnya is basically almost utterly void of any important Resources.
Do you think Russia keeping Chechnya is actually worth the attacks or should Putin come to his senses and just give them Independence?
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 11:29 AM
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Mindig is not online. Mindig
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02 Jan 2014 11:33 AM
I don't really believe that they will stop terrorizing Russia if they got independence. Chechens hate Russia.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 11:37 AM
Min, read about the 2005 Moscow threatre hostage crisis, The Chechen Independence Movement's leader demanded Chechnya become Independent and if this was granted they agreed that the Chechens would never go against Russia.
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Mindig is not online. Mindig
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02 Jan 2014 11:40 AM
Oh, sorry. I didn't know that. But promises can be broken, they have been before by lots of countries.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 11:41 AM
^ Yeah, but i seriously doubt that, i'm sure the Chechens would have learnt that after the first Chechen wars.

Chechnya used to be Independent but it was responsible for Flat-bombs which killed 300 people in Russia, thats what started the Chechen wars, and i think they've learnt from that and if they get Independence i doubt they'd do something as stupid as that again.
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Mindig is not online. Mindig
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02 Jan 2014 11:45 AM
Most Chechens would probably not want to. But there are a couple of dumb people everywhere.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 11:47 AM
True, i still think Russia should give them Independence, it's really not worth keeping a bit of Empty land utter void of any important resources if they're conducting terrorist attacks against russia for Chechnya to be independent
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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02 Jan 2014 11:48 AM
Chechenya is completely empty, I don't know why both parties actually care about the land, if I were Putin I'd pass the land over.
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Mindig is not online. Mindig
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02 Jan 2014 12:00 PM
You're right, I agree with you. Chechnya should be independent. There's no reason for Putin to keep that land, I think.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 12:10 PM
Exaclty, just like China should let go of tibet
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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02 Jan 2014 12:50 PM
Just like how when Israel have Gaza independence they stopped attacking Israel, right? You speak with a western ideology. You have to realise that these people aren't westerners. They say they will stop attacking, but then they will continue. Gaza hasn't learned their lesson even after two intifadas, the Chechens won't learn their lesson either.

Plus, it makes Russia look weak of they grant them independence.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 01:12 PM
Theken, Did war go to the Gaza strip?
No, did more than 1,000 people die in the Gaza strip?
No.

The Chechens aren't some Idiot muslim race who kill everyone who goes Against them, and if Russia would prefer to Look strong and let the Chechens murder the Russian Population then Putin needs to be locked in an air-tight cell and thrown into the dead sea.

The Chechens Wouldn't declare war and Invade russia again if Chechnya, because look how many people died, the Chechen war was much more brutal than any war that has affected the Gaza strip
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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02 Jan 2014 01:14 PM
Muslims don't kill everyone who goes against them, you're showing you're ignorant.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 01:14 PM
I'm not Ignorant, The Gaza strip is run by a muslim orginization, Chechnya isn't.
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02 Jan 2014 01:15 PM
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02 Jan 2014 01:33 PM
Theken, Did war go to the Gaza strip?
No, did more than 1,000 people die in the Gaza strip?
No.
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Gaza has been devastated by air strikes, widespread unemployment and economic collapse because of their government and their petty hatred of Israel.

The Chechens aren't some Idiot muslim race who kill everyone who goes Against them,
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In the most recent Chechen war, two of the organizations fighting for Chechen independence were al-Qaeda and foreign mujahedeen, both terrorist organizations.

and if Russia would prefer to Look strong and let the Chechens murder the Russian Population then Putin needs to be locked in an air-tight cell and thrown into the dead sea.
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Russia isn't the only country who does this. Israel wont let go of the West Bank even though it benefits them a ton to do so. China continues to claim Tibet to look strong. North and South Korea don't recognize each other. Most Muslim nations don't recognize Israel's existence. It is all about not looking weak and stupid. Nations don't like to look like the losers.

The Chechens Wouldn't declare war and Invade russia again if Chechnya, because look how many people died,
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They attacked Volgograd in these bombings. If it was only about independence then they would have only attacked Russian military targets in Chechnya or near Chechnya. Bombing a civilian bus is not legitimate warfare.

the Chechen war was much more brutal than any war that has affected the Gaza strip
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Yet Chechnya has a higher HDI than the Palestinian territories by 95 points.
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streetstalker3 is not online. streetstalker3
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02 Jan 2014 01:38 PM
I really don't see what the bloody point is in keeping land if you want it independent, the Chechens aren't going to stop attacking and Bombing russian Cities unless Chechnya becomes Independent again, its pointless keeping it, and so is China keep Tibet, Russia keeps Chechnya, a previously independent state thats utterly void of any important resources, Putin is pathetic, If Chechnya becomes Independent Terrorist attacks in Russia would go down dramatically, because it was mainly the Chechens responsible for them.
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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02 Jan 2014 01:39 PM
I really don't see what the bloody point is in keeping land if you want it independent, the Chechens aren't going to stop attacking and Bombing russian Cities unless Chechnya becomes Independent again, its pointless keeping it, and so is China keep Tibet, Russia keeps Chechnya, a previously independent state thats utterly void of any important resources, Putin is pathetic, If Chechnya becomes Independent Terrorist attacks in Russia would go down dramatically, because it was mainly the Chechens responsible for them.

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Mindig is not online. Mindig
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02 Jan 2014 01:40 PM
Theken, you made a thread about a Palestinian being killed earlier, and I think you're really only disagreeing with us because Chechens are Muslims.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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02 Jan 2014 01:41 PM
I really don't see what the bloody point is in keeping land if you want it independent,
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To look strong and because you recognize that they wont stop attacking.

the Chechens aren't going to stop attacking and Bombing russian Cities unless Chechnya becomes Independent again, its pointless keeping it,
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They wont stop anyways. Gaza didn't stop. Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.

and so is China keep Tibet,
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Tibet isn't violent.

Russia keeps Chechnya, a previously independent state
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When was it independent?

thats utterly void of any important resources,
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People and again, it looks weak to give in to their demands.

Putin is pathetic, If Chechnya becomes Independent Terrorist attacks in Russia would go down dramatically, because it was mainly the Chechens responsible for them.
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They will not stop.
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ymlol is not online. ymlol
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02 Jan 2014 01:41 PM
A lot of Chechenya is Muslim, well it is located close to the Muslim countries Azerbaijan and Armenia as well as the middle east.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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02 Jan 2014 01:42 PM
Theken, you made a thread about a Palestinian being killed earlier, and I think you're really only disagreeing with us because Chechens are Muslims.
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I disagree because I see what happened to Israel and I don't want Russia to have the same thing happen to them.

What Putin should do is build a wall around Chechnya so nobody can come in to the rest of Russia without being checked.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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02 Jan 2014 01:43 PM
well it is located close to the Muslim countries Azerbaijan and Armenia as well as the middle east.
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Armenia is Christian.
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Mindig is not online. Mindig
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02 Jan 2014 01:43 PM
Yes guys, his reason for not agreeing is because he does not like Muslims. Sorry about that. Be seeing you guys.
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