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Re: Why do/will powerclans (Tza, Frigid, TSD) fail?

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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 12:34 PM
There is something in common with all these clans that creates instability, loads of you have probably already figured this "problem" out.

"How does it collapse?"

C&G members (including HRs) leave when an unfortunate event that causes distress to the group happens, like-so with TGI, the way that the war "unnecessarily" and "ridiculously" carried on.

The core problem is the recruitment of C&G players. C&G are often interlinked with one and other, if one of them is annoyed about a group (especially one of high intellect or humorous, undramatic and able to fight well), and insults it in a serious way, then usually others will follow on (unless the leader is the one with those qualities).

If the group is not led by an "alpha c&ger" then it will fall.

Now you're all going to say "how about toberdam!!11 hes a c&ger", well actually he had enemies. And when you create enemies, chains of hate start forming with their friends, the friends of the enemies then start conflicting with their possible previous friends and so on.

So because of his war against one side of C&G (VAK and rationalists) he lost C&Gers (less so core loyal members).

The problem with recruiting C&Gers is their disloyalty, their targets are to follow their friends and be in a "victorious" clan that is "successful". They don't care about restoring the clan from a declining state, they are the sheep that come and go.

Reason being is their experience and lack of care and emotional connection to the group, they've already been in groups which they've given these qualities for, they wouldn't feel inspired or motivated by being in the group that is failing.

Now, looking at Tza, TSD and Frigid.

Their collapse wasn't a surprise,

Tza: He already had opposition in C&G, he was over-dramatizing events in Tza, he somewhat worsened his reputation in C&G by posting frequent recruitment posts and his group's systems were not fully formed: his fort had "unfair" areas and so on, obviously few faulties would cause C&Gers to leave. And I'm sure there are others (this is a rough depiction of the clan)

Frigid: The leader had already abandoned Sleet Clan (unreliable with maintaining groups - meaning he had opposition in C&G with the rationalists), he would act like his own members (so there is no longer his aspirations of superiority), again he would treat his fort visitors unfairly or his fort had unfair areas and so on (I don't have much information on Frigid apart from raiding them and seeing them on the forum, but from my first glance I saw another Tza).

TSD: The leader hasn't provoked any hate within C&G (apart from the TGIs). TSD seems quite stable for now, I honestly don't have much information on it, apart from the group being solely made up of C&Gers or previous accompanies of Obtention.

WHAT ELSE DO THESE CLANS HAVE IN COMMON?

Filtration?

Now when you advertise on C&G and you put a very hard recruitment obstacle course or make them join through a chat system C&Gers would mainly use, thinking you will raise an imperial army of elite men, it causes a lot of problems.

Look at WIJ, they are made up of C&Gers, are they failing? (loads of core members and are mixed with new ROBLOXians)

Look at FC, they are made up of C&Gers, are they failing (loads of core members and are mixed with new ROBLOXians)

VAK? They were in VAK before they even began C&Ging, their motives would be more loyal, especially how Vaktus is portrayed as a deity, who is seen once in a year by Vaktovians, the few C&Gers integrate with the natural loyal norms of VAK.

TGI? Made up of some core members, mainly C&Gers, the replacement of the leader also put members in doubt.


So I guess the main problem is

FILTRATION.

C&GERS.

You want to recruit fresh troops and train them, that's how groups are made, there is no rushing and creating the most elite group in ROBLOX from scratch. Once you realise that and you understand the problems with recruiting straight from C&G, your powerclans will never grow. Not only this, but strong leadership, you need to be able to put yourself higher than your own members, you need to be able to fight.

The only powerclan I have hope for is TSD (read above)

There's probably a lot of information I'm missing here, but please consider this a theory, not a statement.
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assasinlord5 is not online. assasinlord5
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22 Dec 2013 12:36 PM
fc has hardly any c&gers, and the c&gers they do have aren't active.

that's all I had to say.
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 12:37 PM
probably why they're so successful as a clan, if you have skilled members that aren't C&Gers its a miracle.
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gbronzeman is not online. gbronzeman
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22 Dec 2013 12:40 PM
Mainly because good fighters that don't C&G is rare.

dat bronze siggy
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 12:43 PM
exactly
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 12:55 PM
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Inversus is not online. Inversus
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22 Dec 2013 12:56 PM
lots of the time it's leaders who want immediate power, who then in turn have a lack of motivation


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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 12:58 PM
which is one of their faults as a leader
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WisdomRider is not online. WisdomRider
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22 Dec 2013 03:36 PM
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zeyad567 is not online. zeyad567
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22 Dec 2013 03:41 PM
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 06:03 PM
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PresidentPig is not online. PresidentPig
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22 Dec 2013 06:07 PM
This.

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RogoawsomeInDisguise is not online. RogoawsomeInDisguise
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22 Dec 2013 06:07 PM
Accutate, oh so accurate. This is the most accurate thing in the world of accuracy.

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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 06:11 PM
yes! (bump)
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Kyrosoid is not online. Kyrosoid
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22 Dec 2013 06:12 PM
TGI - not fail
Frigid - failed
Tza - 2.0
TSD - its still good lold
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 06:16 PM
TGI - not fail - recovered, still not as great as it used to be
Frigid - failed - yes
Tza - 2.0 - doubt it will work
TSD - its still good lold - that's what I said, the way obtention is going is a bit risky mass flaming RSF though. If you read the thread
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 06:18 PM
looking at threads right now, tsd looks like it's going to collapse..
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22 Dec 2013 06:22 PM
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22 Dec 2013 06:26 PM
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Boy TGI did fail. You just wont admit that the High Ranks are Power Hungry and Corrupt
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KFChuckNorris is not online. KFChuckNorris
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22 Dec 2013 06:27 PM
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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 06:41 PM
yes, zeyad, yes
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BuzzBucks is not online. BuzzBucks
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22 Dec 2013 06:43 PM
who the hell cares about fair forts

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macedonianelite is not online. macedonianelite
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22 Dec 2013 06:46 PM
the same people who care about clans (this is C&G)
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22 Dec 2013 06:54 PM
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22 Dec 2013 06:54 PM
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