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Re: Christmas shouldn't be a christian holiday

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Gallade300 is not online. Gallade300
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20 Dec 2013 10:37 AM
1. There is no actual proof of a Roman census, such a thing would be documented (which it isn't)

2. The shepherds wouldn't be out in Palestinian winter time

3. Jesus wasn't born in winter

4. What happened to angels coming down to Earth? It seemed to happen waaaay more frequently before the camera was invented

5. Christmas was invented by the pagans and outlawed by Christians until the early 1700s
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deltav is not online. deltav
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20 Dec 2013 10:38 AM
"5. Christmas was invented by the pagans and outlawed by Christians until the early 1700s"
this
if i recall correctly, the original tradition was germanic by origin
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Epicnamebro707 is not online. Epicnamebro707
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20 Dec 2013 10:39 AM
well,it is so deal with it buddy.

Cuz Shrimp
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 10:41 AM
It doesn't say anywhere in the Bible that Jesus was born in the winter. So, therefore, your point about the Shepherds in the winter is also invalid. As far as the Roman census, well, records from long ago get lost.




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Gallade300 is not online. Gallade300
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20 Dec 2013 10:42 AM
@MrPhelps

yeah and bank ledgers tend to get lost pretty easily as well
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 10:44 AM
Because most banks these days were empires that fell 2000 years ago(!)

Great comparison there, buddy(!)



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SenorBonkers is not online. SenorBonkers
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20 Dec 2013 10:46 AM
christmas is a fraud created by jews but who cares, quit being a party pooper
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 10:48 AM
"a fraud created by jews"

Most Jews didn't even accept Christ as their Messiah, so think again.





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SenorBonkers is not online. SenorBonkers
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20 Dec 2013 10:51 AM
"Most Jews didn't even accept Christ as their Messiah, so think again."

it doesnt matter to merchants, they profit from a holiday they dont celebtrate

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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 10:52 AM
Well, Christians have always celebrated Christ's birth in one way or another, but I think it was actually Americans who coined the term "Christmas."

I could be wrong, though.




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SenorBonkers is not online. SenorBonkers
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20 Dec 2013 10:53 AM
no one knows when Yeshua was born anyway so...
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 10:55 AM
@senor

When you say "Yeshua" are you refering to Jesus?

Because "Yeshua" is "Joshua" which is technically Jesus's name. Jesus is Greek for Joshua.




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SenorBonkers is not online. SenorBonkers
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20 Dec 2013 10:56 AM
"When you say "Yeshua" are you refering to Jesus?

Because "Yeshua" is "Joshua" which is technically Jesus's name. Jesus is Greek for Joshua."

fine lets call him Joshua
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youronlineneighbor is not online. youronlineneighbor
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20 Dec 2013 10:58 AM
this is a perfect example
christmas is a christian holiday- you cant just tell christians to not celebrate it.

it is believed that Jesus was born in winter, although there is no proof to consider this.

Excuse me, but that's inappropriate for school.
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coliepolie is not online. coliepolie
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20 Dec 2013 10:58 AM
Well it is a Christian holiday.

Sorry about that.
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 10:58 AM
Let's call him Jesus.

Or Yahweh!



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snick3r is not online. snick3r
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20 Dec 2013 10:58 AM
@Mrphelpsa actually Jesus was born in the spring time. :) My grandpa is catholic and my great great great great more greats grandpa was a pope. :) but I'm a satanist
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SenorBonkers is not online. SenorBonkers
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20 Dec 2013 11:00 AM
"but I'm a satanist"

hows the 8th grade going?
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snick3r is not online. snick3r
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20 Dec 2013 11:01 AM
lololol I'm not in the 8th grade idiot. x)
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 11:02 AM
At any rate, there is debate over when He was born.




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14prind is not online. 14prind
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20 Dec 2013 11:06 AM
"As far as the Roman census, well, records from long ago get lost"

yes but a massive census happening throughout the entire roman empire would be almost impossible to lose track of. there would be records of it in every single town and city in the roman empire.
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MrPhelps is not online. MrPhelps
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20 Dec 2013 11:08 AM
@14prind

Eh, true. But when an empire falls, stuff probably does get lost, no matter how big.

Maybe there is a record of it that we just haven't found yet!





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ferrykeizer is not online. ferrykeizer
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20 Dec 2013 11:08 AM
''if i recall correctly, the original tradition was germanic by origin'''
Germanic religion is ocasionally considered Paganism. Guess that makes reasonable sense. And true, the Christmas tree was a Germanic thing, where they well, worshipped the tree. I believe it was a symbol for nature but I'm not sure.
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14prind is not online. 14prind
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20 Dec 2013 11:14 AM
"At any rate, there is debate over when He was born."

or if he was born at all.
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14prind is not online. 14prind
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20 Dec 2013 11:22 AM
"Eh, true. But when an empire falls, stuff probably does get lost, no matter how big.

Maybe there is a record of it that we just haven't found yet!"

it is possible that they where lost but it is not probable. also considering that the concept of the census is rather unusual to say the least it is extremely unlikely that it took place.
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