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Re: A question to all of you gun control nuts

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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 10:03 AM
If guns are banned, and then suddenly everything goes bad, and grocery stores are wiped out, people are murdering others for food, and there is no way for you to get food but to hunt/forage, what are you going to hunt with, your bare hands? Most of you have no knowledge of wild plants that can be eaten, sow how will you forage safely? Bows and crossbows will be close after the guns, so that's not an option.

What will you do?
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freznez is not online. freznez
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09 Dec 2013 10:04 AM
move to Russia
they have sledge hammers
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 10:07 AM
The wild always has a good source of weapons for hunting, or you could pick berries, and breed animals for their produce like milk and eggs.
We're not simpletons, you know.
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freznez is not online. freznez
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09 Dec 2013 10:08 AM
drill, it takes years to breed animals, this is not minecraft you know..
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 10:10 AM
There are existing farms today, fool.
Things can stem from that.
We can grow plants too.
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freznez is not online. freznez
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09 Dec 2013 10:13 AM
Implying that you have the money to buy the animals and food required to house the animal.
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 10:17 AM
People can actually build huts and things, and if someone taught them how, which people probably would if you had to forage and farm for food, they could easily build something to house them. This isn't saying everyone in the world will do it and we run out of trees, farmers will become merchants, and might even be able to afford animal housing. There would obviously still be your everyday job, except for those dealing directly with meat, which there might be fewer of.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 10:40 AM
I'll tell you right now if you come onto my farm where I'm trying to survive you'll be leaving quickly if you aren't a "simpleton" as you put it.

How is someone who doesn't have knowledge of safe things to eat from the wild going to forage? Holly berries can kill you if you eat too many, as can many other wild berries.

My family breeds animals for a living, it isn't easy and most people wouldn't do or know how to do the work. Even so, it takes months for animals to breed and have babies, almost as much time as it takes humans. After that, the baby animals will have to grow, taking a few more months before they're big enough to eat, and then will have to be butchered (again, most will not do that).

It's difficult to kill an animal with a sling, knife, or spear, and most people wouldn't know how to make/use one anyway.

I'm not going to help house or feed anyone unless I know them *well* and actually like them/they're family.
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 10:54 AM
And that is why society fails. If you're in a time of crisis, you would teach people how to farm, how to forage for berries, unless you really hate everyone. Your example is the perfect reason why society is failing.
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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09 Dec 2013 10:58 AM
You can set traps for the animals! But i would move to Africa! The most peoples there are used to live without technology!
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 11:03 AM
@2013
Agreed. People over there have lived in poverty for years and years, so if we brought healthcare in return for hunting, ensnaring knowledge etc we could all get along just fine.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 11:06 AM
@Drill, Survival of the fittest. If they don't know how, they won't survive, and I won't teach them, because it may mean I won't survive.

@Yay

Traps are extremely unreliable and fairly difficult to make if you're seriously going to rely on them for food, and again, most people won't know how to make them.

And how are you going to move to Africa? I'm not sure you realize how things would be in the case I'm speaking of. EVERYTHING would go bad. There would be no boats or planes to move anywhere overseas.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 11:07 AM
"hunting, ensnaring knowledge etc we could all get along just fine."

I'm pretty sure their hunting methods would be a lot more advanced than anything you could teach them about it.
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 11:08 AM
Noswad coming out with wads of crap, showing how society will fail if it was full of Noswad0208 people.
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 11:09 AM
I never said us guys would teach them, I said they'd teach us in return for our healthcare and help them get out of poverty by doing it face to face, not the charities which lie, and send the money to the government to make pointless roadworks and stuff.
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 11:12 AM
And how do we get to Africa?
Did you forget methods of transport like sailing ships and things, built by companies for their money in order to survive? Also, you can reach Africa from most parts of India and most parts of Europe, and it's possible to swim the English Channel, so anyone in Europe could go easy, with a horse and cart, and they can be created, and food can be found for horses, they're called fields, something that has always been there, bits of grass, that aren't affected by finance. Cars, planes and cruise ships and the only ways of transport in existence.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 11:13 AM
how are you going to take healthcare to a non-advanced nation

the dollar would be worthless and they don't have the tech to have a hospital worthy of healthcare
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 11:16 AM
where are you going to get those horses? everyone will be looking for one

how are you going to build a reliable boat?

all of your solutions are based on you knowing how to produce things like ships and traps and weapons which i seriously doubt you do
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 11:18 AM
Are you actually suggesting that people cannot build sailing boats? Are you suggesting everyone will suddenly go to Africa? Africa don't need the tech, countries would ship it over in parts. There are many arts such as blacksmithing that although not very prominent, still exist, as does ship building. People build ships a lot.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 11:26 AM
No, I'm suggesting that most people could not build a reliable sailing boat that could traverse a sea.

"Are you suggesting everyone will suddenly go to Africa"

No, but it seems that you are.

If they don't need tech then why the hell do they need healthcare? Modern medicine relies heavily on tech.
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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09 Dec 2013 11:40 AM
Peoples are able to build rafts in 1 day! And i think that peoples aren't that dum* to use something as paddle! You can use bicycles instead of horses!
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drillsargesam is not online. drillsargesam
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09 Dec 2013 11:43 AM
We can bring technology over. Yet another idea gone over OP's head, because he's so close minded.
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 12:40 PM
@Yay, Please try to paddle your raft to Africa, it would be a blessing to society.

@Drill, You said they don't need technology, why take it to Africa if they don't need it?
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2013Yay is not online. 2013Yay
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09 Dec 2013 01:08 PM
Yes, this is impossible if you live in America but i live in Europe!
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noswad0208 is not online. noswad0208
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09 Dec 2013 01:09 PM
Europe is already screwed.
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