Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:04 PM |
FACTS:
. In many capitalist countries, primary, secondary or post-secondary education cost money, and some cannot pay for it. Therefore, the right of education which is a recognized right on the International convenant on economic, social and cultural rights is violated. The majority of capitalist countries have signed and ratified this treaty.
. The concept of wage slavery can be traced back to many early capitalist figures.
. Additionally, the right to food (which is a recognized right of the International convenant on economic, social and cultural rights)is violated in many wealthy capitalist states, such as Brazil and Mexico.
. The most unequal societies in the world are all capitalist based economies.
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:07 PM |
"right to food"
I have never heard of such a stupid idea. Food is not free, and should not be given out to people who don't work for it. Same goes for anything BUT air.
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JamesGalt
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:20 PM |
Food, education, healthcare are not rights.
They are commodities. You do not have a right to these things, if you did then someone else has to provide it. It puts the other person in perpetual slavery to provide for your "needs".
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:24 PM |
The majority of capitalist countries have signed and ratified the treaty that states that the right to food and education is a right.
Therefore, it is considered a right.
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JamesGalt
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:32 PM |
| So this is about majority rule? Much less a bunch of bureaucrats signing away our right to life and property. |
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:33 PM |
@Tela
You were just arguing that many capitalist countries violated this. Stop flip flopping. |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:37 PM |
"You were just arguing that many capitalist countries violated this. Stop flip flopping."
Just because they signed a treaty doesn't mean they aren't violating it. |
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:39 PM |
@Tela
Okay now you go from them violating the treaty to arguing that they "may not have" violated it just because they signed it?
Is this a magic trick or are you really this stupid right now? |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:40 PM |
They ratified and signed the treaty and are violating it.
Understand? |
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:43 PM |
@Tela
Okay, now tell me, why the hell should I pay for another guy's food? In a capitalist system everybody has a chance at getting a grab of the money (at the expense of living a 'good' life sometimes) by simply doing what humans have been doing for thousands of years, working, only now with fiat currency involved.
You don't contribute? You don't get anything. Simple as that. |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:43 PM |
| I never argued that they aren't violating it. Show me where I did so. |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:44 PM |
"@Tela
Okay, now tell me, why the hell should I pay for another guy's food? In a capitalist system everybody has a chance at getting a grab of the money (at the expense of living a 'good' life sometimes) by simply doing what humans have been doing for thousands of years, working, only now with fiat currency involved.
You don't contribute? You don't get anything. Simple as that."
It's a right. |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:45 PM |
| The right to eat is a right whether you like it or not. |
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:48 PM |
@Tela
"Right to eat."
Food is not a right. It takes work to produce, it takes resources which take work to manufacture, it goes through the hands of many workers before reaching its destination and is therefore anything BUT a human right, regardless of how you look at it.
As an example of something that _is_ a right, air, is free because it takes no work whatsoever to produce.
"whether you like it or not"
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Mantine55
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:52 PM |
"The right to eat is a right whether you like it or not."
It is not somebody's responsibility to provide a "right."
Non-corrupt governments are in place to protect rights.
Since is it nobody's responsibility to provide a right, food is not a right.
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:53 PM |
| Unless you live in the tiny minority that didn't sign it, it is considered a right no matter how much you dispute it. |
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Mantine55
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| 09 Dec 2013 07:55 PM |
You cannot legislate reality.
If six people get together and call themselves the United Persons and declare that sheep grow wings after two years, does that make it true? |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:00 PM |
"If six people get together and call themselves the United Persons and declare that sheep grow wings after two years, does that make it true?"
This analogy makes no sense whatsoever. The idea of sheep growing wings is impossible.
Declaring food as a right is not impossible, unlike the sheep example you gave. |
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Mantine55
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:02 PM |
"This analogy makes no sense whatsoever. The idea of sheep growing wings is impossible.
Declaring food as a right is not impossible, unlike the sheep example you gave."
Of course it is impossible!
You see, you believe somebody's words affect reality.
In the US Constitution, the Founding Fathers, by calling rights "inalienable", concurred with me that rights are inherent of reality and cannot be warped by anything else.
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:06 PM |
Do sheep grow wings? No.
Can somebody draft something that declares that food is a right? Yes.
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Mantine55
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:07 PM |
"Can somebody draft something that declares that food is a right? Yes."
And does it matter any more than the declaration that sheep grow wings?
Absolutely not. |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:08 PM |
It does matter because the majority of the world's leaders have signed and ratified it.
Comparing something possible with something impossible is a poor analogy. |
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Mantine55
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:09 PM |
"It does matter because the majority of the world's leaders have signed and ratified it.
Comparing something possible with something impossible is a poor analogy."
Okay! Say a hundred people declare sheep grow wings.
Now surely it is possible. |
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Telafight
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:11 PM |
Can a person write a draft and have leaders sign it? Yes
Can a sheep grow wings? No.
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Mantine55
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| 09 Dec 2013 08:12 PM |
"Can a person write a draft and have leaders sign it? Yes
Can a sheep grow wings? No."
Can a person write a draft and have leaders sign it concerning the aviation of sheep? Yes
Can a sheep grow wings? No. |
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