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Kaboose671 is not online. Kaboose671
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05 Dec 2013 06:10 AM
The majority of arguments I see on the issue don't actually try to use reason to defend their points. The Atheists just assume that the Religious are stupid or tribal, and the Religious usually don't provide any reason as to why they believe their religious doctrine. (I suppose some are stupid and tribal, but let's try to be objective here.)
As to the existence of a deity, I personally can see logical reasons that would cause one to believe in a God, but the term "God" often carries extremely different meanings. For instance, I see absolutely no logic in believing in the existence deities that are basically superheroes. Take the Greek gods for example. They were personifications of natural occurrences, but they weren't creators. Granted, that's one massive barrier between the concept of monotheism and polytheism. The "theis" portion of the two words are not the same thing. However, you do also have monotheistic religions that portray their god as some man floating in the clouds, and obviously you also have polytheistic religions that portray one of the multiple gods as the creator. One could argue that the lower gods in polytheistic mythology are similar to the angels in the monotheistic doctrines that originated from Moses.
Understand that when I say that I see logical reasons that would lead one to believe in a God, I mean the consciousness of the universe. If you take this approach, then I can see why you could come to that conclusion.

-Energy is eternal.
-Matter consists of energy.
-True randomness is not mathematically possible.
-At some point, the eternal energy force that the universe consists of had to initiate the process that would lead to our present state of being.
-Due to the fact that randomness isn't possible, it is reasonable to assume that this energy that initiated the universe would've had consciousness and the ability to make choices, as intent would've been necessary to alter the energy of the universe into a non-neutral state.


Those things being considered, it is also a curious thing as to why an eternal and neutral energy would desire to change itself into anything. We make choices based upon our nature, and our nature is based upon our needs, but an infinite energy source would have no needs, so why would it have a nature? Is it possible that the universe is truly infinite, and it is infinite in every possible value, thus creating an infinite frame of universes? My only problem with that concept is that I'm unable to grasp how different frames of reality could align to cause time to progress.


Just setting up the proper groundwork for one.
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05 Dec 2013 06:11 AM
get out op
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05 Dec 2013 06:11 AM
i feel like you did a copy pasta
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05 Dec 2013 06:20 AM
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05 Dec 2013 06:20 AM
tl;dr






gg no re
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05 Dec 2013 06:58 AM
It got deleted from OT.
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05 Dec 2013 07:00 AM
gtfo
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