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Re: @VAK/TGI

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ToberDam is not online. ToberDam
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30 Nov 2013 08:15 PM
Greetings. Today is yet another day of madness and stupidity that should of been avoided but unfortunately it wasn't. Yet another argument breaks out with TGI at the vanguard of the argument once again. Because of this, I think it's time we had a little chat.

Firstly, while I apologize for the fact that most of the recent argumentation has been from our end, we do not do this without good reason. I am going to take the time to put down the two biggest issues that TGI is having, in which I have little regard of public belief of how well constructed my arguments are.



Argument One: The banning override upon TGI/FC multi-banner troops.

The Vaktovian Argument is that no allies are allow into the war, as states the terms of agreement upon the eve of the war. I had given a post that was an offer for allies to join us in TAG and to serve under our banners in order to better themselves and thus their respective home clans. The Vaktovians took this as special treatment toward the allies. The majority of the vaktovians here all say that no allies are allowed, regardless of their loyalty to TAG and our cause.

Here is where I will begin to tear apart this argument.

1) Under the request of Vaktus and Proevil, I had posted a thread, then a correction thread clarifying that there is absolutely no special treatment for anyone upon the acceptance process of TAG. Their end of the request was that they would lift the ban. The threads were sent to Proevil due to Vaktus having to leave due to timezones. This has not been completed on their end.

2) Why just FC? This doesn't make sense. If they were to go under the terms of "No allies" with this process, they would take the time to do an override ban on UAF, TRA, WiJ, and NFU. Instead, just Frost Clan? Why? Where in the world would this make sense to someone who is getting the short end of the stick here? This isn't beginning to point out the fact that they don't know the reason of why every single FC member that joins TGI, joins. You mean we are discriminated for reasons that you do not know, yet you are free to accept people whom you know have little to no loyalty to you but are willing to fight TGI? Just look at your unity alliance. Where are they now?

Not loyal.

3) If no allies are to be even considered in participating in the war, then why is something that is not vaktovian partaking in the war. Yes, I'm speaking about VAC whom I quote the following:

"2:18 PM - Bektor: 22:17 - ¤ Ꭼмрегог Ꮴаĸτυѕ ¤: If ToberDam believes TAGs should represent TGI, then he can feel free to allow them. But VACs are not Vaktovians. That is the way it has always been and always shall be. Vaktovians represent Vaktovia, VACs are still earning the right to do that. Yes, there may be some amazing VACs, but there are many more that are not so experienced as those."

If VACs do not represent VAK, then by Vaktus' logic they still need to earn the right to partake, and that means staying at the trainings and not partaking in raids and defenses. Now before you say "Well what about TAG". We consider TAG arcadians. If it was not for the fact that VACs did not count toward official raids at SMO, we would have a unified team or a reduced counter for TAGs (I.E. 2 TAGs = 1 TGI on the official server counter).

TL;DR: They should of been unbanned already, Vak's logic doesn't make sense, VAC shouldn't even be in the war by Vaktovian Logic.



Argument Two: The constant updates

Now look. I DID warn you guys of what would happen if you made an update again, especially so soon after the war restarted and we've been getting wins at SMO, that something would happen. Ugh. Moar mess for me it seems.

Your base is stacked enough as it is. Your most recent update "3 sec FF to 5 sec FF to mimic SHII", does more than it seems for you than it does for us. Again. Now that you have five seconds. You cannot be stopped upon reaching your easy entry obby now. You are FF'd and with the guns that you have there, you can get a least a kill in the two seconds difference you now have, or even beeline and get into cover at the obby and get a kill in that method. You just made things much more difficult to us if we have you in a bad spot.

You are literally making updates every time you lose. I had to convince GH out of making updates literally one to two hours after we got a second win from Rodger's Squad.

I seriously want you to consider this. If we had a completely even, balanced base, Who would win? Who would seriously win? My money's on TGI. Why? We have less advantages at SHII compared to your advantages at SMO. By a landslide we have less. You even got your sniper cliff back, which will allow you to clear the path you need to reach the wall if you picked up hawkeyes.

This needs to stop. Where are the REAL balance updates. Infact, when are you going to stop making more advantages for yourselves. Even the small ones. And don't give me that "Oh this is an issue we knew about since release but we didn't fix it". If it needed to be fix, you would of done it during the ceasefire. Why did you wait? You have sodding poor planning if that is your reasoning.


TL;DR: We're tired of getting more and more stacked against us each time we win at your base. Please throw us a bone for once and actually give US an advantage, or just stop making updates after a little balancing toward the raiders.




As for the updates that SHII is planning for, I have nothing to tell you as this was not something I knew about. I cannot supply information nor argument to justification and details. Sorry.
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GunRights is not online. GunRights
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30 Nov 2013 08:15 PM
first
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InfraredVision is not online. InfraredVision
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30 Nov 2013 08:15 PM
2nd
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Flammavir is not online. Flammavir
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30 Nov 2013 08:15 PM
ok


SALAM.
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Laedere is online. Laedere
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30 Nov 2013 08:16 PM
why would you give the enemy an advantage, that's silly
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DaBubs is not online. DaBubs
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30 Nov 2013 08:16 PM
INB4DABUBS
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Ralios is not online. Ralios
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30 Nov 2013 08:16 PM
has vak won yet

or just call a cease fire
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groovyclone is not online. groovyclone
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30 Nov 2013 08:16 PM
0TH
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aqous5 is not online. aqous5
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30 Nov 2013 08:16 PM
LOL!!!
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robloxianCEO is not online. robloxianCEO
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30 Nov 2013 08:17 PM
EVERYONE WHO HAS POSTED SO FAR HASN'T READ THE THREAD AT ALL

INCLUDING ME

~Vizier of Terbium, USMS Advisor
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Gargix is not online. Gargix
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30 Nov 2013 08:17 PM
But.. your not the leader anymore.. Castellian is and he's fine with SMO.

And; if you change SHII in any major way, we will change our base accordingly.
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ToberDam is not online. ToberDam
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30 Nov 2013 08:18 PM
@Gargix: You clearly do not pay attention if that is all you can give me.
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rodgerdodger is not online. rodgerdodger
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30 Nov 2013 08:18 PM
Bubs if you start an argument on this thread you're really not going to like me.

You've been warned.
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BoostPowah is not online. BoostPowah
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30 Nov 2013 08:19 PM
Boom goes the dynamite.

#kickboost2013
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squidboi2 is not online. squidboi2
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30 Nov 2013 08:19 PM
'Bubs if you start an argument on this thread you're really not going to like me.'

hey bubs you're fat, ugly, and i'm better than you at just about everything!!!
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Bomberguy is not online. Bomberguy
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30 Nov 2013 08:19 PM
This was a pretty thorough argument Tober, 'twas nice
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GunRights is not online. GunRights
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30 Nov 2013 08:19 PM
wat dos inb4 mean, i never knew
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HeartbreakingBlaze is not online. HeartbreakingBlaze
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30 Nov 2013 08:19 PM
VAK is dumb and they should all be thrown into the earth's core
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Exonical is not online. Exonical
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30 Nov 2013 08:19 PM
Agreeable.

♜ Police Bells and Church Sirens ♜
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DaBubs is not online. DaBubs
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30 Nov 2013 08:20 PM
well then squid i respect your opinion as a human being
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bohdan77 is not online. bohdan77
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30 Nov 2013 08:21 PM
"3 sec FF to 5 sec FF to mimic SHII"

It was changed to 4 seconds.

Our tools are given slowly, We basically have 1 second of FF, if not less to shoot anyone.
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GGGGG14 is not online. GGGGG14
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30 Nov 2013 08:21 PM
When will you guys realize this isn't real life and just play it like a game… writing 20 paragraphs has got to be annoying especially when some kid only gives a 2 sentence insulting reply. :P
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BoostPowah is not online. BoostPowah
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30 Nov 2013 08:21 PM
There is more where this came from, ladies and gentlemen.

You have my word.

#kickboost2013
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GunRights is not online. GunRights
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30 Nov 2013 08:21 PM
pfft, ur funny bohdan
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bloodyspartan18 is not online. bloodyspartan18
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30 Nov 2013 08:21 PM
first argument, i dunno, if it makes you feel able maybe we should ban all your allies?111


second, just stop. 2 seconds increase for FF. for god's sake, just stop.
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