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| 24 Nov 2013 12:21 PM |
It's unfortunate that you'd make this thread stating that you want to end the war because your ally left you and you "dislike our base" yet you fail to realize that your base is completely broken and that you broke war terms by raiding without notifying me when your base was supposedly "ready," which we agreed upon.
You are complaining about our fort yet none of your members asked me to remove the players that were glitching during the raid and I was not aware of it myself until after the fact.
You have raided ONCE, given no opportunity for any fixes whatsoever, and then asked for a draw when we waited a week to raid and your base STILL is not properly working because your "structure" is complete garbage.
Your guns do not load; abFaV2A.png (imgur) We do not respawn properly; /hKFqiRY (imgur)
And even so your shops do not provide weapons that work, which I also tested last night.
All of these people make misinformed statements about how "ART is better than RAID" because ONE guy, as far as I know, on the Allies team was using an Auto-clicker, and I will gladly remove him from the base the next time he does it, if he even visits again - but once again, I was not informed of any glitches during the raid, and you all just came to the forums to cry without giving me any possible time-frame to work out a solution when Aceylos is not on for most of the day.
Yes, I asked for a war - but you declared war because you felt empowered and superior with your ally alongside you. It is NOT my fault that you do not feel confident enough of your clan to the point where you can fight a clan by yourself.
Let's make it clear that I at NO time claimed that there was no glitch and I even acknowledge to Aceylos that there was a problem on x/fire and would try to address it but that I did not see how I would be able to fix that.
I honestly could not be any more disappointed that you would make a thread under such hypocritical conditions where your base is not 100% perfect and you try and gather supporters by posting a thread in which I am offline, cannot defend myself, and only rally your soldiers around because you are afraid of being decimated by RAID.
If you want to drop the war, so be it - but let's make it clear that you're a hypocrite, that your clan is weak, and that you will never, ever be superior to RAID unless you can prove it, and you should not let others state that on your thread because it is simply not true.
You may be a builder, but you'll certainly never be a Leader that stands up for what's right. The RAID High Command will be working to find someone to fix the scripts in these weapons to resolve this issue, and we will address those who glitched it to begin with, but we will certainly not fight such a shameful clan - I could have complained about your broken base on the forums and put my foot on you while you were down instead of waiting to speak to you about it, an advantage you did not give to me and I will not give to you now.
- Chancellor Restricting
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mbryan90
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:22 PM |
Although Impartial, I agree with RAID.
ART, shame on you. |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:23 PM |
| So RAID is gonna marry ART? |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:26 PM |
The thread I am referring to made by Aceylos, by the way;
http://web.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=118592484 |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:31 PM |
| I agree buddy Restricting. |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:53 PM |
| Both the pictures you supplied is a bug that happens sometimes. To sort it all you had to do was leave and rejoin. |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:54 PM |
| I've replicated the issue more than three times, even after leaving and coming back. |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:56 PM |
It's happened to me a few times. Sometimes leaving doesn't work.
From what I can tell if the guis don't appear it causes bugs |
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:58 PM |
| It shouldn't happen and isn't as nearly fixable as the issue we have with our guns which you all went crazy over. |
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Jack37a
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| 24 Nov 2013 12:59 PM |
boooo!!!
I'm Bane. ( ° ͜ʖ °) |
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Flaimus
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:21 PM |
TL;DR Version: Well,there appears to be a breakdown of communication, because from what I was told, your facts are rather incomplete, and/or incorrect.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Normal Version:
"It's unfortunate that you'd make this thread stating that you want to end the war because your ally left you and you "dislike our base" yet you fail to realize that your base is completely broken and that you broke war terms by raiding without notifying me when your base was supposedly "ready," which we agreed upon."
It was not Aceylos that hosted the raid, but another High Rank. If (emphasis on "If") there was a condition that we were not allowed to raid RAID (interesting set of words, lol) until Slayer was done, then it was Aceylos's fault for not making that clear, and I would agree with you on that.
"You are complaining about our fort yet none of your members asked me to remove the players that were glitching during the raid and I was not aware of it myself until after the fact."
From what I was told by the ART members, this is incorrect. RAID was told multiple times that there were exploiters at the base, and yet you did nothing. On top of that, when you went to Slayer afterwards, you stated that "It was not against your rules to do so".
"You have raided ONCE, given no opportunity for any fixes whatsoever, and then asked for a draw when we waited a week to raid and your base STILL is not properly working because your "structure" is complete garbage."
Also according to what I was told, this is also incorrect. You were asked to fix the issue 1) At the raid; 2) At Slayer afterwards; and 3) On another chat system afterwards. Now, I am aware that at least one of those might be false, but I am also sure that at least one of those *is* correct. Now then, I am also well aware that Slayer is badly designed, and would never have been approved by ITA if it was operational at the time.
The first glitch listed is a Roblox Glitch, and does not have to deal with ART. This glitch is found at every base I went to. It happens when the computer does not render something properly.
The second glitch, you just reseted after respawning, and is not a glitch at all.
The third glitch about the shops does not effect the raid what so ever, since it effects both sides.
"All of these people make misinformed statements about how "ART is better than RAID" because ONE guy, as far as I know, on the Allies team was using an Auto-clicker, and I will gladly remove him from the base the next time he does it, if he even visits again - but once again, I was not informed of any glitches during the raid, and you all just came to the forums to cry without giving me any possible time-frame to work out a solution when Aceylos is not on for most of the day."
From what I was told, it was not only allies, but also on the RAID team, which also means that multiple people have done it. I am glad that you (at least claim) will ban anybody that does it again, however you should just dodge that issue all together and just add the one line that will fix the issue. Now then, on the chat afterwards, when you were told about the issue, you just refused to fix the issue, claiming that you did not know how to fix the bug. I have already stated this argument on the ART Proposal Thread if you wish to see the whole thing.
"Yes, I asked for a war - but you declared war because you felt empowered and superior with your ally alongside you. It is NOT my fault that you do not feel confident enough of your clan to the point where you can fight a clan by yourself."
The whole reason ART got into the war was to help its ally. With the ally out of the picture, ART no longer had any real reason to stay at war with you. Of course the ART HC would believe that ART is stronger, for if a HR does not take pride in his clan, than what kind of HR is he? You also have failed to understand that ART does not *want* to leave the war with RAID; however, if RAID and ART refuse to come to an agreement, then any clan would leave if that happened.
"Let's make it clear that I at NO time claimed that there was no glitch and I even acknowledge to Aceylos that there was a problem on x/fire and would try to address it but that I did not see how I would be able to fix that."
According to Aceylos, this statement is false, and I have clarified reasons why both earlier in this one, and in the ART Proposal Thread.
"I honestly could not be any more disappointed that you would make a thread under such hypocritical conditions where your base is not 100% perfect and you try and gather supporters by posting a thread in which I am offline, cannot defend myself, and only rally your soldiers around because you are afraid of being decimated by RAID."
The issue is not if a fort is 100% operational or not. The issue is the refusal to fix the problem. Though in this thread, you have agreed to fix the problem, in both your fort, Slayer, and off Roblox, you rather refused to or claimed that there was no such issue. Also, is this not exactly what you are doing in this thread? 1) Your base is not 100% perfect. 2) You try to gather supporters by posting a thread when he is offline and cannot defend himself. 3) ART was winning until the defenders started using auto-clickers.
"If you want to drop the war, so be it - but let's make it clear that you're a hypocrite, that your clan is weak, and that you will never, ever be superior to RAID unless you can prove it, and you should not let others state that on your thread because it is simply not true."
He threatened to drop the war unless you agreed to getting the issues fixed. He even stated that he did not want to drop the war. The only reason he wants to drop the war is your refusal (or "inability", according to you) to fix the main issue. Yes, Slayer is not 100% functional, but unlike the issue at RAID's fort, it does not effect the outcome of the raid. Whenever the outcome was not changed due to exploiting, ART has defeated RAID in just about every raid/defend done. However, it is kind of hard to do so since in the past (and even this time), RAID has exploited so that they wouldn't lose. It is not just one time that caused ART to want to leave, but the previous time we tried to have war as well.
"You may be a builder, but you'll certainly never be a Leader that stands up for what's right. The RAID High Command will be working to find someone to fix the scripts in these weapons to resolve this issue, and we will address those who glitched it to begin with, but we will certainly not fight such a shameful clan - I could have complained about your broken base on the forums and put my foot on you while you were down instead of waiting to speak to you about it, an advantage you did not give to me and I will not give to you now."
And now you are resorting to flaming. You go on saying how ART is so bad for crying about something, and you turn around and go even lower? Honestly, if you do not have at least one scripter, one builder, and one artist in RAID's High Command, then RAID's High Command is incomplete. It is not shameful to want to withdraw from a war, if the other party refuses to fix an issue at hand. If anything, RAID is the shameful clan for refusing to fix the issue until Aceylos decided to make it public. You call Aceylos a hypocrite, and yet you do the same thing he has done, and you complain about it. Would that not make you a hypocrite as well? Aceylos attempted to address you directly about it, but you refused.
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:22 PM |
| SO ART WON THE WAR WOOHOOOHOO |
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:24 PM |
| ...2unknown2, shut up..... |
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Aceylos
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:28 PM |
As I mentioned in my proposal I didnt want to fight you in the first place, I wanted not to cause a flame war, I didn't want to deal with your attitude, restricting. You have a large ego, your mouth is huge, and you mis-read my thread.
I just wanted to drop warfare, my members are aware I don't like your attitude, your personalty. In my proposal to end it, I refused myself to discuss my lack of enthusiasm to deal with you, and your personal aspects that I don't like.
Malvus had dropped out because he didn't want to deal with you, and I would like to just end things for mostly the same reason. Personally, it matters not if you have influence in C&G, I'm a fair leader, I don't scam, I play the game, I have fun. I wanted to propose an end with a non-aggression pact.
The glitch was my main aspect of my original argument, but it's not a major factor. I really don't want war with RAID, RAID does not interest me at all, I am fully aware of the war terms, and I'm willing to honor them.
What I'm not willing to honor is your ability to cast your hate upon my clan, my legacy, and what I stand for. I'm certainly not willing to deal with such a shameful person, as "but we will certainly not fight such a shameful clan."
I just don't want war with you, history will repeat itself if we fight, no one will win, it'll be a constant war of flame, but your too incomprehensive to see so.
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:35 PM |
died
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:37 PM |
The majority of what you have stated is based on 'what you have heard' and now what you know for a fact; and because of that there is no reason to address issues that I have already addressed in the OP, however the last point you made I will address;
"And now you are resorting to flaming. You go on saying how ART is so bad for crying about something, and you turn around and go even lower? Honestly, if you do not have at least one scripter, one builder, and one artist in RAID's High Command, then RAID's High Command is incomplete. It is not shameful to want to withdraw from a war, if the other party refuses to fix an issue at hand. If anything, RAID is the shameful clan for refusing to fix the issue until Aceylos decided to make it public. You call Aceylos a hypocrite, and yet you do the same thing he has done, and you complain about it. Would that not make you a hypocrite as well? Aceylos attempted to address you directly about it, but you refused."
- RAID has multiple builders, scripters, and artists both in and outside the High Command. - As I stated, I have not refused to fix the issue, infact, as I was speaking to Aceylos about the issues both at my base and his, he suddenly logged off mid-conversation and did not log back on. - I did not refuse because during out dialog, he logged off of x/fire while I was speaking to him. - No, I am not a hypocrite because I did not go to the forums as soon as I visited your base and it was broken - I waited and he ignored the issues on x/fire by suddenly logging off. I waited patiently for him to log on the next morning and I wake up to a thread filled with lies.
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:37 PM |
| I was the one who hosted that raid. I was told that i could that day Flaimus. |
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Aceylos
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:38 PM |
@Zxf, thank the lord, one less person to deal with.
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:42 PM |
"RAID has multiple scripters" >Still glitches |
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Aceylos
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:44 PM |
Respectfully, ART personel, leave the thread and chat on the wall. Let the High Command deal with this while we resolve our issues with RAID.
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| 24 Nov 2013 01:45 PM |
Came back alive,
died again
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