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Re: "omg vak lost before"

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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 04:43 PM
-claps-
Early VAK lost to some group which is nothing compared to VAK now.
I don't care what you veterans say, Orglock, MB, Stahl, Elite Wing, back in those days were NOTHING compared to groups now.
VAK is still here.
VAK is still fighting.
Other clans? Dead.
Who is the true winner, the one who claims victory and died, or the one who is still fighting on?

The past is the past.
If you all fascinate over some clan beating VAK long ago, why don't you spend that time finding a clan that can beat VAK NOW?
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KillerSenpai is not online. KillerSenpai
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23 Nov 2013 04:43 PM
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Domeboybeene is not online. Domeboybeene
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23 Nov 2013 04:46 PM
I like this threas poster, he actually understands the whole concept.

Rather than the nostalgic old men. Going "VAKS NOT LIKE WHAT IT WAS IN THE GOOD OL' DAYS"
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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 05:00 PM
Eh, RAA is trying to hard with this new "war"
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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23 Nov 2013 05:02 PM
"Early VAK lost to some group which is nothing compared to VAK now.
I don't care what you veterans say, Orglock, MB, Stahl, Elite Wing, back in those days were NOTHING compared to groups now.
VAK is still here.
VAK is still fighting.
Other clans? Dead.
Who is the true winner, the one who claims victory and died, or the one who is still fighting on?"

MB and Stahl don't deserve to be in the same category as Elite Wing and Orglock, rofl. Vak wasn't even a concept when EW and OE were in their prime.

You want to talk about future-past comparisons, then? How fair do you think it is to say that since the modern American army is better than Napoleon's army and therefore Napoleon couldn't hold a candle to America? It's not. It's a broken, stupid argument that you have no basis for.

As for Vak losing in the past, it's kind of a big deal because they claim to be 100% undefeated.

Furthermore, EW and OE never declared any sort of victory over Vak, so again, WHY mention them other than to make bogus claims you can't back up?

OP is so broken that it boggles my mind what kind of dumb thought process could lead to it.
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SlayerJones is not online. SlayerJones
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23 Nov 2013 05:04 PM
hero, this person is a well known idiot
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Domeboybeene is not online. Domeboybeene
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23 Nov 2013 05:05 PM
He seems like he knows what he's talking about to me.

Obviously not as well known as you made out.
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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23 Nov 2013 05:06 PM
@slayer:

Oh, okay. I don't feel so bad about it then.
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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 05:07 PM
So let's compare a 2 year difference to real world nations that are over 200 years apart.
-claps-
Very well done.
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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 05:22 PM
"well known idiot"

Gee, if I am so well known, how come no one even knows my clan history?
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Jayreaper is not online. Jayreaper
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23 Nov 2013 05:27 PM
MB is still going on lol.
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Gammer0932 is not online. Gammer0932
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23 Nov 2013 05:27 PM
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jamkid12 is not online. jamkid12
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23 Nov 2013 05:28 PM
"MB and Stahl don't deserve to be in the same category as Elite Wing and Orglock"

right because elite wing is dead and orglock died then came back
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Alpha5001 is not online. Alpha5001
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23 Nov 2013 05:29 PM
he might be an idiot but he has a point


look where all those other groups are at now, dead or nearly dead

VAK is totally different

@hero
that argument itself is weak
its like saying that because (pretend this) america lost to england in 1812 we couldn't beat them now
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Antagonise is not online. Antagonise
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23 Nov 2013 05:32 PM
lol
ok


CRACK A BOTTLE - add 3k to my post count
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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23 Nov 2013 05:32 PM
gee, something get your panties in a twist, jam?

MB and Stahl don't deserve to be in the same category as EW and OE because EW and OE were two of the first war clans to ever be made - Elite Wing actually /being/ the first war clan ever made, whereas MB and Stahl were not. They came after. Level of success, current status, and my own bias doesn't even play into it.

don't get all defensive when I haven't even implied an insult. You're just twisting my words to mean what you want them to mean.
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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23 Nov 2013 05:35 PM
and @alpha

How is it weak? That's exactly what Zach was arguing with.

And I never said that because America "lost" to Britain in 1812, they'd be unable to beat them again. That doesn't even factor into my argument and I don't see how you'd be able to get it from it.

The point is that OE and EW came so far before Vak did that saying "oh they're dead Vak isn't so vak is da best wooo11" doesn't even begin to make sense.
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Alpha5001 is not online. Alpha5001
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23 Nov 2013 05:36 PM
like it or not the other clans are dead (or almost) and VAK isnt

however not a fair comparison exactly

it is like comparing the life of the roman empire to the life of america



i meant im agreeing with the other part of his logic
kind of misread


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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 05:41 PM
My logic is, VAK survived the long run.
America never even fought Napoleon.
Don't even compare IRL countries in a several hundred year span to virtual groups that have a span of 3 years.

They had power in their prime, but their prime is nothing compared to VAK as it is now.
Clans were just then starting, now they are understanding their true power.
If Orglock came back, VAK could win.
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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23 Nov 2013 05:42 PM
Fair enough.

But my point was that it's impossible to compare two things that existed in two very different times solely based on the standard of the current time.

Both had very different settings to work in and tools to work with.
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HeroMaster is not online. HeroMaster
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23 Nov 2013 05:44 PM
(Correction) My "fair enough" was at alpha, not Zach.

And my argument still stands, rofl. You are comparing the past to the present using only the present's standard. The Elite Wing /WAS/ the Vak of its day, and if Vak existed back then, they probably would've been evenly matched.

Stop kissing up.
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Glovoc is not online. Glovoc
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23 Nov 2013 05:46 PM


Everyone knows Zach is just a tard looking for attention.

Ignore him and he'll shoo off.

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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 05:46 PM
Yes, I totally kiss up to groups that I am not even in.
Good logic there lad.


The past is gone.
People need to forget and care that VAK lost some war to a growing clan.
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Glovoc is not online. Glovoc
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23 Nov 2013 05:47 PM


Last I remembered... No one really cared?

Until you made this thread.

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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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23 Nov 2013 05:48 PM
Glov, get off C&G if you don't pay attention to the threads.
People made a ton of fuss about it earlier.
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