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| 22 Nov 2013 08:15 PM |
| evolution was never meant to undermine religion in any way. its just the way of explaining how different species came to be. |
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:16 PM |
I'm an Atheist.
I respect your beliefs, but I'm pretty sure you won't respect mine. |
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:18 PM |
| I respect all beliefs,but that doesnt mean i cant try to prove them false. |
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:21 PM |
>In Genesis 1:5 God himself is said to divide day into a smaller period of time, calling just the light portion “day.” In Genesis 2:4 all the creative periods are called one “day”: “This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day [all six creative periods] that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.”
If you say the light part is just day, that is still 7 days for both this interpretation of a day and the scientific understanding. So we are still in the same position as before.
>The Hebrew word yohm, translated “day,” can mean different lengths of time. Among the meanings possible, William Wilson’s Old Testament Word Studies includes the following: “A day; it is frequently put for time in general, or for a long time; a whole period under consideration . . . Day is also put for a particular season or time when any extraordinary event happens.” This last sentence appears to fit the creative “days,” for certainly they were periods when extraordinary events were described as happening. It also allows for periods much longer than 24 hours.
This is irrelevant. It is not in the bible.
>Genesis chapter 1 uses the expressions “evening” and “morning” relative to the creative periods. Does this not indicate that they were 24 hours long? Not necessarily. In some places people often refer to a man’s lifetime as his “day.” They speak of “my father’s day” or “in Shakespeare’s day.” They may divide up that lifetime “day,” saying “in the morning [or dawn] of his life” or “in the evening [or twilight] of his life.” So ‘evening and morning’ in Genesis chapter 1 does not limit the meaning to a literal 24 hours.
That is a metaphor, they don't mean it literally.
>“Day” as used in the Bible can include summer and winter, the passing of seasons. (Zechariah 14:8) “The day of harvest” involves many days. A thousand years are likened to a day. (Psalm 90:4; 2 Peter 3:8, 10) “Judgment Day” covers many years. (Matthew 10:15; 11:22-24) It would seem reasonable that the “days” of Genesis could likewise have embraced long periods of time—millenniums.
This is not in the context of genesis. Different chapters were written by different people, you can not assume the day referred to the same thing the other people meant. It makes sense to assume that the day meant when the sun was out, as god said that in genesis. So we are in the same spot as before.
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:26 PM |
The Hebrew word yohm, translated “day,” can mean different lengths of time. Among the meanings possible, William Wilson’s Old Testament Word Studies includes the following: “A day; it is frequently put for time in general, or for a long time; a whole period under consideration . . . Day is also put for a particular season or time when any extraordinary event happens.” This last sentence appears to fit the creative “days,” for certainly they were periods when extraordinary events were described as happening. It also allows for periods much longer than 24 hours.
This is irrelevant. It is not in the bible. _______________________________________________________ Not in the Bible tho? Seriously? The word yohm is hebrew and Genesis was originally written in Hebrew. Its showing what the original word means.
That is a metaphor, they don't mean it literally. ___________________________________ Exactly. You yourself just proved my point. Those "days" were not literal days.
This is not in the context of genesis. Different chapters were written by different people, you can not assume the day referred to the same thing the other people meant. It makes sense to assume that the day meant when the sun was out, as god said that in genesis. So we are in the same spot as before. _______________________________________________________ They were written by different,but all scriptures were inspired by God. He used to different people however. |
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:27 PM |
| is EVERYONE atheist around here? |
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:30 PM |
Not in the Bible tho? Seriously? The word yohm is hebrew and Genesis was originally written in Hebrew. Its showing what the original word means.
Here we go:
"It is recognized, of course, that the word "day" can be used with a number of variations. It can have any of five meanings: 1) a period of light; 2) a period of 24 hours; 3) a general, vague time; 4) a point of time; 5) a year.2 The context determines which of these is intended by the writer. The English language also can have up to 14 definitions for the word "day."3 The reader should be reminded that the purpose of language is to communicate. Moses wrote in a language that was meant to communicate to his readers. Words must be defined by their relationship to one another.4 Word meaning must be determined from within its context. It will be shown how the context defines the word in Genesis 1.
The use of a number with the word "day" is very illuminating. This combination occurs 357 times outside of Genesis 1. The combination is used in four different ways, but each time it is used, it must mean 24-hour periods of time. If the combinations had been intended to mean long periods of time, both the texts and contexts then become meaningless. "
Throughout the bible, the word day has meant 24-hour periods of time, so it makes sense for it to mean the same here.
>They were written by different,but all scriptures were inspired by God. He used to different people however.
Again, throughout the bible, the word day has meant 24-hour periods of time. "Don't Panic"- HHGTTG |
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:38 PM |
I'm going to bed now. We'll continue this tomorrow.
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:38 PM |
Again, throughout the bible, the word day has meant 24-hour periods of time. ____________________________________________-_____ That contradicts with what i just said. Zechariah 14:8 is not a literal 24 hour day and "Judgement Day" covers many years.
Psalm 90:4 even says " For a thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past."
Along with Peter 3 which says "However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day."
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:40 PM |
>That contradicts with what i just said. Zechariah 14:8 is not a literal 24 hour day and "Judgement Day" covers many years.
Are you deaf? The word "day" was said over 300 times in other chapters other than genesis, and most of them meant 24 hour periods of time. They wouldn't make sense otherwise. Now what is more likely, that it means 24 hours (which is more commonly referred to) or it means some random longer period of time that is less referred to?
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| 22 Nov 2013 08:41 PM |
Now, I am going to bed. Please don't reply until tomorrow.
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