skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:13 PM |
>Evidence also backs up the prophecies concerning the food shortages,earthquakes,violence,etc.
Where is it? You say prophecies, but what do you even mean by that? When i hear the word prophecy, I think of an incredibly specific event that will happen in the future. Simply saying there is more famine is not a prophecy, it is not a prediction that so happened to be right.
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Karatai
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:14 PM |
| What if some parts of the bible were true, and some idiots who wanted to be popular just acted crazy and put things in it? |
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:16 PM |
apparently black people weren't in the bible
white people assumed the people in there were all white
oh, and women can't be priests in the vatican
damn re
anyway
bible people are racist and sexist |
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foxbilder
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:17 PM |
| Another flame war, whats new? |
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:18 PM |
>What if some parts of the bible were true, and some idiots who wanted to be popular just acted crazy and put things in it?
I have no doubt in my mind that some of the people in the bible did exist. They probably didn't do what they did, but they did exist. What I will say though is that there is so little evidence for what is said in the bible and so much for the sciences that I wonder why people believe the bible over science.
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:18 PM |
| why the hell did I blurt that out |
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:20 PM |
| Give me EVIDENCE of how the Bible is wrong and evolution is true. Ive explained to you several different examples of how the Bible has been right regarding different situations,you have not. |
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:24 PM |
What I will say though is that there is so little evidence for what is said in the bible and so much for the sciences that I wonder why people believe the bible over science. ____________________________________________ Like what? |
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:32 PM |
>Give me EVIDENCE of how the Bible is wrong and evolution is true.
I was going to write a long page about stuff that is wrong in the bible and contradicts and all that other stuff, but I am tired and would rather tell you my philosophy for why I do not believe in the bible.
I believe in evidence. There is no evidence that you or anyone else can give me that can prove that any of the stuff- particularly the supernatural stuff- is true. It is that plain and simple.
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:35 PM |
There is no evidence that you or anyone else can give me that can prove that any of the stuff- particularly the supernatural stuff- is true. It is that plain and simple. ___________________________________________________ Bro,i gave Alexander the Great,Babylon being in ruins,increased devastation and the Bible's harmony with scientific facts. Go ahead,post "contradictions" in the Bible. Most probably have to do with the Mosaic Law,which Christians today DO NOT FOLLOW.
I can assure you i can clear up those "contradictions". |
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:36 PM |
It's not always a good thing to fix our eyes on what is seen. It's shallow. We lack faith; our minds rule our spirits. We wish to solve Earth's problems, however...
We must fix our eyes on what is unseen. |
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:39 PM |
| There are no evidence of evolution and god, problem solved. |
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:43 PM |
>Bro,i gave Alexander the Great
You said a name. How is that evidence. I don't know who that is. Do you care to explain or just leave me in the dark?
>Babylon being in ruins You need to explain your evidence
>increased devastation
I disproved all of that. I already told you that as far as natural disasters go (earthquakes), there hasn't been a difference. So that is wrong.
I also said that the figures for famine would naturally rise due to a rise in population, which is true. Same with war.
> Bible's harmony with scientific facts.
You do know that the bible and the people that believe it constantly have to update their beliefs due to a new scientific theory that emerges that contradicts the bible (If you didn't get it the first time, EVOLUTION. EVOLUTION. EVOLUTION.)? The bible constantly has to play catch-up to science to even be taken seriously.
>Christians today DO NOT FOLLOW Why?
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:52 PM |
>Bro,i gave Alexander the Great
You said a name. How is that evidence. I don't know who that is. Do you care to explain or just leave me in the dark? __________________________ Read what i said regarding Alexander the Great all over again in the 1st page.
>Babylon being in ruins You need to explain your evidence _________________________________________________ . Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.” (Isaiah 13:19, 20) To predict permanent desolation for a sprawling city occupying a strategic location was bold indeed. You would normally expect that such a city would be rebuilt if ruined. Although Babylon lingered on for a while after its conquest, Isaiah’s words eventually came true. Today the site of ancient Babylon “is flat, hot, deserted and dusty,” reports Smithsonian magazine.
>increased devastation
I disproved all of that. I already told you that as far as natural disasters go (earthquakes), there hasn't been a difference. So that is wrong. ____________________________________________________________________________ The World Disasters Report 2010 says: “Of all large disasters, seismic events have killed the greatest number of people in recent years.”
● Each year, from 1970 to 2001, there was an average of 19 earthquake disasters reported, with an average death toll of 19,547. In the ten years before 2012, the average increased to 28 earthquake disasters per year, with an average death toll of 67,954.
I also said that the figures for famine would naturally rise due to a rise in population, which is true. Same with war. _____________________________________________________
In the early years of the 20th century, many were expecting continued peace. The start of World War I shocked the world and began an era of unprecedented warfare. As the Bible book of Revelation foretold, peace was taken “away from the earth so that they [mankind] should slaughter one another.”—Revelation 6:4.
> Bible's harmony with scientific facts.
You do know that the bible and the people that believe it constantly have to update their beliefs due to a new scientific theory that emerges that contradicts the bible (If you didn't get it the first time, EVOLUTION. EVOLUTION. EVOLUTION.)? The bible constantly has to play catch-up to science to even be taken seriously. _______________________________________________________ True the Bible has been altered in minor ways(minstranslations, missing God's name) but the origin texts are the same and have not been altered. You say evolution,but once again have yet to provide examples of Biblical contradictions.
>Christians today DO NOT FOLLOW Why? ________________________________________- (Romans 10:4) For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness.
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 06:59 PM |
>Read what i said regarding Alexander the Great all over again in the 1st page.
You have to put it into context or i can't understand it.
>Isaiah made a further startling prediction regarding Babylon: “She will never be inhabited.” (Isaiah 13:19, 20) To predict permanent desolation for a sprawling city occupying a strategic location was bold indeed. You would normally expect that such a city would be rebuilt if ruined. Although Babylon lingered on for a while after its conquest, Isaiah’s words eventually came true. Today the site of ancient Babylon “is flat, hot, deserted and dusty,” reports Smithsonian magazine.
Okay, I'll give you that. It still seems more coincidental.
>The World Disasters Report 2010 says: “Of all large disasters, seismic events have killed the greatest number of people in recent years.”
Each year, from 1970 to 2001, there was an average of 19 earthquake disasters reported, with an average death toll of 19,547. In the ten years before 2012, the average increased to 28 earthquake disasters per year, with an average death toll of 67,954.
That does not say earthquakes are becoming larger. It is just saying they are killing more people. The earthquakes are the same size of the same amount.
>True the Bible has been altered in minor ways(minstranslations, missing God's name) but the origin texts are the same and have not been altered. You say evolution,but once again have yet to provide examples of Biblical contradictions.
The entirety of genisis. The whole thing about how the earth was made. We KNOW that is not how the earth was made.
Also, You want contradictions in the bible? You want false prophecies in the bible? Well here they are:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:01 PM |
That does not say earthquakes are becoming larger. It is just saying they are killing more people. The earthquakes are the same size of the same amount. ___________________________________ They are killing more people which are making them "greater",are they not?
>True the Bible has been altered in minor ways(minstranslations, missing God's name) but the origin texts are the same and have not been altered. You say evolution,but once again have yet to provide examples of Biblical contradictions.
The entirety of genisis. The whole thing about how the earth was made. We KNOW that is not how the earth was made. _________________________________________________ How do we know? How do we know the account was altered? Again,no proof.
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:08 PM |
>They are killing more people which are making them "greater",are they not?
Just because more people are dying from them doesn't make them any different in size. They are the same size. Get that through your head. If the bible said more would die from earthquakes, your statement would be true. But it didn't. It said great earthquakes, implying that earthquakes will get larger in size. But they aren't.
>How do we know? How do we know the account was altered? Again,no proof.
We have evidence! I keep telling you this. You lack evidence for the entirety of genesis. There is evidence for how the earth was made and the time it was made in!
Did you enjoy the link I sent you?
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:10 PM |
Also, You want contradictions in the bible? You want false prophecies in the bible? Well here they are:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/proph/long.html ________________________________________________________ Its completely unreasonable to believe i can snuff out all these contradictions in one day. Out of all these that you found, just give me a few that you think are contradictions.
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:13 PM |
>Its completely unreasonable to believe i can snuff out all these contradictions in one day. Out of all these that you found, just give me a few that you think are contradictions.
How about the first one, 154 and 155?
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:13 PM |
There is evidence for how the earth was made and the time it was made in! __________________________ Like? Again HOW HOW? |
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:20 PM |
>Like? Again HOW HOW?
When the earth was made:
1)The oldest rocks on Earth, found in western Greenland, have been dated by four independent radiometric dating methods at 3.7-3.8 billion years.The debris from which the sedimentary rocks formed must have come from even older crustal rocks. The oldest dated minerals (4.0-4.2 billion years) are tiny zircon crystals found in sedimentary rocks in western Australia.
2)The "best" age for the Earth is based on the time required for the lead isotopes in four very old lead ores (galena) to have evolved from the composition of lead at the time the Solar System formed, as recorded in the Canyon Diablo iron meteorite. This "model lead age" is 4.54 billion years.
How it was made: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/earth/surface_and_interior/inside_the_earth#p00fzslq
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ThAfro
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:21 PM |
How about the first one, 154 and 155? __________________________________________________ 1-"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." God says that if Adam eats from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, then the day that he does so, he will die. But later Adam eats the forbidden fruit (3:6) and yet lives for another 930 years (5:5). 2:17
God had promised that Adam would live ETERNALLY. Also remember,that the human body was closer to perfection and much healthier back then,so humans were able to live for long periods of time. 900 years compared to ETERNITY isnt even scratching the surface,so he did die "surely". He died didnt he? Thats surely. Time is different for God. A day to God is like 1000.
154- To what generation did Jesus refer? The article “Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You?” explained that Jesus was referring, not to the wicked, but to his disciples, who were soon to be anointed with holy spirit. Jesus’ anointed followers, both in the first century and in our day, would be the ones who would not only see the sign but also discern its meaning—that Jesus “is near at the doors.”
What does this explanation mean to us? Although we cannot measure the exact length of “this generation,” we do well to keep in mind several things about the word “generation”: It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period; it is not excessively long; and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”? He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed who were on hand when the sign began to become evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other anointed ones who would see the start of the great tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it surely will have an end. The fulfillment of the various features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation must be near.
155-I dont understand what this one is trying to prove.
I have to eat. BRB in about 10-30 minutes.
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:22 PM |
| For 1 i dont mean he promised him,his original intentions were to create humans to live forever but of course Adam disobeyed and was punished. |
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skyarex
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| 22 Nov 2013 07:28 PM |
>Time is different for God. A day to God is like 1000.
That is an assumption and it is an assumption that makes little sense. Days are based on the EARTH SPINNING ON ITS AXIS. You can't have some people say that "my day is like 500 of your days" because it defeats the purpose of what a day is.
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