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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:20 AM
So if you like free software like I do you should support true communism since its about creating things for the common good instead of using them to make money such as spybubble who exploit you by knowing that alot of us need it then by making us all pay alot annually to use their software which could be very important to many people.

The people you see developing the effective free anti-virus programs and other programs such as TOR for non-profit are an example of REAL/TRUE communism because they are doing it for your good/for the common good instead of for profit.

So if you would like even more free software and people such as described above in life which is an example then you should support true communism. There is nothing wrong with it.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:21 AM
Or non-profit important to many software as you call it.
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goluigi10 is not online. goluigi10
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19 Nov 2013 12:23 AM
It seems implausible that putting a hundred-thousand capitalists together will form a communist state.

Not only that, but communism hasn't had a very good track record for success.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:23 AM
Incase somebody says "Move to Russia" I would like to say USSR was never truly communist. They allowed companies such as pepsi to exist in their state and are just like China today.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:25 AM
Exploiting for "greatness" is really not worth it.
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civilizationfreak is not online. civilizationfreak
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19 Nov 2013 12:25 AM
yes because the programmers who make software don't need basic human needs
just make them give away all their hard work for free, screw logic or decency.
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MrDiddy is not online. MrDiddy
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19 Nov 2013 12:27 AM
Have you ever heard of pirating?
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:28 AM
It's for the good of others. Not for power, plus they will receive fame and popularity.
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civilizationfreak is not online. civilizationfreak
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19 Nov 2013 12:29 AM
yes because you know the name of the person who created the operating system you are using right now to even argue this with me
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MrDiddy is not online. MrDiddy
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19 Nov 2013 12:30 AM
OP acts like money isn't needed to make software.

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goluigi10 is not online. goluigi10
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19 Nov 2013 12:30 AM
I hate to burst your bubble, but power is all anybody really wants. Over themselves, over their future, over others...

No amount of common decency can rid humanity of its defining feature.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:31 AM
I'm not talking about the money needed part, I'm talking about the part of doing things for the common good.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:32 AM
@go well then what about a society where power means nothing and its all about morality and ethics?
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MrDiddy is not online. MrDiddy
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19 Nov 2013 12:33 AM
>I'm not talking about the money needed part, I'm talking about the part of doing things for the common good.

And to do that you need money. So where you gonna get your money from?
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:36 AM
@Mr, more of it in a society where money/power means nothing and everyone receive equal pay with enough to buy needed things which is why I'm saying to support if you want more non-profit software.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:38 AM
For example you get free education in real communism because everybody needs it so it and the resources if used for making it don't cost anything.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:40 AM
You wouldn't really need power in a society cause the most hardest working guy will probably become the most famous, most loved and popular and gain lots of respect.
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19 Nov 2013 12:41 AM
>@Mr, more of it in a society where money/power means nothing and everyone receive equal pay with enough to buy needed things which is why I'm saying to support if you want more non-profit software.

You don't understand, no one is equal when it comes to economy. (Not physically, I mean economic wise.) No one will have the same amount of money.

Oh, and if money meant nothing; then that would mean supplies of items in stock markets would drop drastically because no one would need money. (The "Money shouldn't be made" version.) You also can't forget if to much money is printed, money would be worthless because of how much people have. (The "More money should be printed" version.)
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:45 AM
>You don't understand, no one is equal when it comes to economy. (Not physically, I mean economic wise.) No one will have the same amount of money.

Oh, and if money meant nothing; then that would mean supplies of items in stock markets would drop drastically because no one would need money. (The "Money shouldn't be made" version.) You also can't forget if to much money is printed, money would be worthless because of how much people have. (The "More money should be printed" version.)

I'm talking about in a communist society we will get even more of the non-profit software. Not the current society, supplies come from people bringing it in because they are educated that they do it for the good of others and not for money.

As for the greedy people they can leave the society and get out if they don't like it while the ones who want to do things for the good of others can stay.
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specialop987 is not online. specialop987
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19 Nov 2013 12:48 AM
It's like how a pack of wolves bring food home for the rest of the pack to share and eat.
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civilizationfreak is not online. civilizationfreak
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19 Nov 2013 12:50 AM
yes but the wolf depends completely on the other wolves (generally speaking, not true for many solitaries)
humans don't depend completely on each other in their natural state, and any society trying to change that will not work because of how unnatural it is.
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goluigi10 is not online. goluigi10
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19 Nov 2013 12:52 AM
>well then what about a society where power means nothing and its all about morality and ethics?

That will never happen. Like I said earlier, people crave power. It's genetic -- at age two, we start to want power over our lives. Ergo, the "terrible twos".

Nothing as flimsy as a Utopian desire can undo millions of years of development. To say that power is nothing means that everything you do is moot of both impact and consequence.

>Greedy people can leave

Okay. And we'll take our patented technology with us. Have fun.
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goluigi10 is not online. goluigi10
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19 Nov 2013 12:54 AM
inb4 more animals

Animals don't create complex & efficient societies, design elaborate works, or do more than serve as food.
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MrDiddy is not online. MrDiddy
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19 Nov 2013 12:54 AM
>Okay. And we'll take our patented technology with us. Have fun.

That we spent millions of dollars on to make other lives better.
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goluigi10 is not online. goluigi10
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19 Nov 2013 12:56 AM
>That we spent millions of dollars on to make other lives better.

So that, ultimately, we could be the only ones who reap the benefits of commerce. If the goods wont sell -- and they wont, because communism -- there's no market.
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