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Re: Imagine: Japan didnt bomb. Germany didnt invade Soviet Union

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DX5555555z is not online. DX5555555z
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10 Nov 2013 10:17 PM
Who wins WWII if USA and Soviet Union don't get involved?
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Zealots is not online. Zealots
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10 Nov 2013 10:18 PM
USA was already secretly involved with helping Britian so idk... USA would of eventually entered.

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DX5555555z is not online. DX5555555z
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10 Nov 2013 10:19 PM
Yeah I don't believe US would let Britain fall to Germany no matter how long they stayed out




Some said that FDR faked Pearl harbor just to get Congress to declare war
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DeadEclipse is not online. DeadEclipse
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10 Nov 2013 10:19 PM
The USA would have still gotten involved because they are tampering idiots.

-Coming from an American

USSR would not have gotten involved.

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10 Nov 2013 10:20 PM
They all would have gotten involved anyway.
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DX5555555z is not online. DX5555555z
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10 Nov 2013 10:21 PM
The soviets had a pact (The Non-Aggression pact) With Germany that USSR wouldn't stop Germany from taking over Poland and those other small countries if Germany didnt invade USSR




Then they did and that makes me laugh everytime why would you invade Soviet Union...
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10 Nov 2013 10:21 PM
That is so dumb this is why you don't always believe stuff on YouTube like saying "The 9/11 attack was a inside job.."
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Swice is not online. Swice
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10 Nov 2013 10:22 PM
Germany and soviet union over time kept building up their borders, it got to a point where Germany invaded because of that and failed
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DX5555555z is not online. DX5555555z
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10 Nov 2013 10:22 PM
Maybe.




I didnt say I believed it personally. If Japan never attacked, I srsly doubt USA would have gotten involved in the war. With the depression and no threat of being attacked, I doubt they would start a fight.




With that being said, Germany probably would have tried to conquer the Western hemisphere.
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Swice is not online. Swice
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10 Nov 2013 10:24 PM
I'm sure USA would have got involved if Germany was winning, and USA found out what Germany was doing to it's prisoners. >.>
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DX5555555z is not online. DX5555555z
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10 Nov 2013 10:25 PM
I'm pretty sure everyone knew what was happening in Germany...




USA's main problem was with Japan. Japan was taking over China and USA gave China weaponry to fight back so Japan bombed.





Germany had no involvement in Japan trying to Imperialize all of Asia.
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theplaner is not online. theplaner
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10 Nov 2013 10:26 PM
It's actually funny watching people who have no higher level education on history talk about this stuff

go learn history or something, it might actually answer your question. We get things like "How important was such and such a factor in causing WWII" as questions, so...
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austin3730 is not online. austin3730
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10 Nov 2013 10:27 PM
The United States wouldn't have. Wilson made it clear he wanted no part in the war, yet the Japanese were stupid enough to attack Pearl Harbor. They planned to cripple the United States there in case they did enter. They failed miserably. To be honest, I believe if they hadn't attack the US, Germany and Japan would have went untested.
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10 Nov 2013 10:27 PM
Germany was actually winning against the USSR, the only thing was the cold.

USA and USSR without each other's support against Germany would have lost. USSR + USA = Defeat of Germany though.

Germany would've conquered the world if the USA did wait longer, same with the USSR , Italy vs Germany after a while, Germany wins, Germany vs Japan, Germany wins.

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10 Nov 2013 10:28 PM
"Just my thoughts"
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Swice is not online. Swice
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10 Nov 2013 10:28 PM
@dx
ugh no, usa wasn't giving china anything. japan and china where at war, and usa wasn't too happy with Japan's aggression on china. and war costs a lot of supplies, such as soil. Usa basically embargoed japan because of this, and that ticked japan off
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Swice is not online. Swice
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10 Nov 2013 10:29 PM
oil*
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DX5555555z is not online. DX5555555z
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10 Nov 2013 10:31 PM
They were definitely giving China arms T-T





They did bomb over oil tho
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10 Nov 2013 10:32 PM
Assuming that Molotov-Ribbentrop still existed in this alternate universe, and that the USSR was never invaded in Operation Barbarossa...

You'd be looking at a possible German-Soviet alliance. This is not because they 'agreed' on most things, but rather because they were both autocratic, and that the Soviet Union was excluded from pre-war planning regarding WWII on the Allied side.

Assuming that the Soviet Union neither joined the Germans, or the Allies, then it's likely that Germany would have subdued Britain in a war of attrition. True, Napoleon did try the same thing, a century prior, but Germany (and its allies) would have easily had the production ability to stall aid efforts to England.

The United States would never have gotten militarily involved (at least not for quite time), if it wasn't for Pearl Harbor. There was no American popular support for a war against Germany, (or even Japan, which was a direct threat to US and Allied interests in the Pacific).

Given the nature of the Pacific War, however, it would have been unlikely that the Japanese could have forestalled attacking Pearl Harbor for long, however. They needed to do so to attack Australia (and gain rubber), and the Germans merely agreed to attack Russia because they got tired of being unable to subdue Britain (since when does turning a blind eye to a problem solve it?).
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