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Re: Ideology responicible for 94+ million deaths

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GreenShaman is not online. GreenShaman
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02 Nov 2013 11:28 PM
by dozens of countries over a century


"lol it was just implemented wrong"
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02 Nov 2013 11:40 PM
If you give them another chance they may get it right
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03 Nov 2013 05:41 AM
Look at all the deaths capitalism caused
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GreenShaman is not online. GreenShaman
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03 Nov 2013 05:43 AM
@tariq @super

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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03 Nov 2013 05:46 AM
And it was implemented wrong, the other countries simply copied Joseph Stalin's concept of Marxism-Leninism . All of the "communist" countries that existed were just simply republics with some of the ideals of Karl Marx.
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03 Nov 2013 05:57 AM
You don't think capitalism caused any deaths?

Irish potato famine

Industrial revolution

Imperialism

Transatlantic Slave Trade

American Revolution

The Congo when it was ruled by King Leopold of Belgium

World hunger

Both world wars

Massacre of Native Americans by Europeans
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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03 Nov 2013 06:01 AM
It wasn't even communism; it was called communism to appeal the idea to the poor, from which beforehand were undervalued in "elections".
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03 Nov 2013 06:05 AM
the whole nature of communism is death.
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03 Nov 2013 06:17 AM
idiot
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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03 Nov 2013 07:46 AM
Irish potato famine
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Actually, this was due to the mass poverty caused by the oppressive UK.

Industrial revolution
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This benefitted the world to much to be declared bad. The industrial revolution made work so much easier, the amount of people who died of hard work must have reduced.

Imperialism
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Imperialism is done by governments, not by capitalist companies. It wasn't capitalism to have companies like Hudson's Bay and East India because those were monopolies.

Transatlantic Slave Trade
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Slavery is extremely anti-Capitalist.

American Revolution
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What?

The Congo when it was ruled by King Leopold of Belgium
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There are many factors in this, I need you tobe more specific.

World hunger
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Because those hungry people in Zimbabwe are known for their ultra-Capitalist ways/sarcasm

Both world wars
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This was caused by nationalism

Massacre of Native Americans by Europeans
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This is oppressive governments, not capitalism.
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03 Nov 2013 07:51 AM
"Slavery is extremely anti-Capitalist."

Explain.
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TheKentuckian is not online. TheKentuckian
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03 Nov 2013 07:56 AM
Capitalism expresses individual freedom and the freedom to work harder and get higher up in importance consequentially. Slvaery forbids that. Capitalism allows you the freedom to succeed or to fail, slavery forces you to do neither.
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03 Nov 2013 08:20 AM
Actually, this was due to the mass poverty caused by the oppressive UK.
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Concept of poverty = capitalism

Industrial revolution
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This benefitted the world to much to be declared bad. The industrial revolution made work so much easier, the amount of people who died
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Many workers died, child labor, and it lead to imperialism


Imperialism is done by governments, not by capitalist companies. It wasn't capitalism to have companies like Hudson's Bay and East India because those were monopolies.
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Imperialism is done to gain more resources and make a better a capitalist economy


Slavery is extremely anti-Capitalist.
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Capitalism = Wage Slavery

American Revolution
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It was fought because the American bourgeois were threatened by the British bourgeois and they used propaganda to get other Americans to join their cause

The Congo when it was ruled by King Leopold of Belgium
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King Leopold II basically conquered The Congo and forced the Congolese people to work and fuel the Belgian economy. Millions of Congolese people were killed.

World hunger
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World hunger is caused by unequal distribution of food

Massacre of Native Americans by Europeans
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All the factors leading to native american massacre was caused by cspitalism
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03 Nov 2013 08:33 AM
Imperialism could also be done by a Communist country in order to gain more resourced. Your point is invalid.
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03 Nov 2013 08:35 AM
You don't think capitalism caused any deaths?

Irish potato famine

^Is this serious? You think because an infectious pest infested all of the potatoes in Ireland that the result of the deaths of those people who consumed them was because of capitalism? Can you be any more of a moron?

Industrial revolution

^The Industrial Revolution was marked by greed and hunger to become rich, that's not what capitalism essentially is. Greed and corruption are, unfortunately, common human characteristics and can't be blamed on capitalism.

Imperialism

^This is the silliest thing I've ever seen. The only imperialist nation that REALLY purposely suppressed its people was Belgium, and maybe The Netherlands if you count the east indies. But these countries were absolute monarchies and the will of their monarch was what was to be done. You don't hear Leopold talking about how much capitalism affected his rationalism in the Congo Free State.

Transatlantic Slave Trade

American Revolution

^Are you kidding me? This must be a joke. The American Revolution had literally nothing to do with Capitalism. At this point I'm hoping you're just trolling

The Congo when it was ruled by King Leopold of Belgium
^I've already stated that this was one of the only instances of imperialist aggression and it wasn't fueled by capitalism, but Belgium's absolute need to acquire resources to protect itself from other nations like Prussia, Austria, and even the Netherlands.

World hunger
^Yup. He's got to be trolling. No one can be this massive of a moron

Both world wars
^Really? Both world wars? You SURE there was no fascism in the second one? And the first one had nothing to do with economy, it was started by an assassination.

Massacre of Native Americans by Europeans
^Europeans weren't capitalist, they were blood-thirsty power-hungry money-obsessed conquerors enlisted by monarchs who also had no capitalistic influence.
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03 Nov 2013 08:37 AM
blame imanuel kant
that son of a noob
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03 Nov 2013 08:40 AM
Actually, this was due to the mass poverty caused by the oppressive UK.
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Concept of poverty = capitalism
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No, it was caused by oppressive governments.

Industrial revolution
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This benefitted the world to much to be declared bad. The industrial revolution made work so much easier, the amount of people who died
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Many workers died, child labor, and it lead to imperialism
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The industrial revolution brought our world more progress than anything. We would still be living in horrible conditions if not for it. Also, there was imperialism before the Industrial Revolution.


Imperialism is done by governments, not by capitalist companies. It wasn't capitalism to have companies like Hudson's Bay and East India because those were monopolies.
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Imperialism is done to gain more resources and make a better a capitalist economy
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Through governments. Capitalism believes in limited government, not oppressive governments which conquer people.

Slavery is extremely anti-Capitalist.
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Capitalism = Wage Slavery
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Wage slavery is a term, but is not slavery.

American Revolution
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It was fought because the American bourgeois were threatened by the British bourgeois and they used propaganda to get other Americans to join their cause
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That isn't capitalism.

The Congo when it was ruled by King Leopold of Belgium
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King Leopold II basically conquered The Congo and forced the Congolese people to work and fuel the Belgian economy. Millions of Congolese people were killed.
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Again, forced labour isn't capitalism.

World hunger
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World hunger is caused by unequal distribution of food
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A country like Zimbabwe used to work perfectly well and people were living fine until their socialist government took over.

Massacre of Native Americans by Europeans
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All the factors leading to native american massacre was caused by cspitalism
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It was done by governments, not capitalism. Also, even in capitalist societies, murdering people is illegal.
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03 Nov 2013 09:55 AM
remember kids, capitalism has no flaws
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03 Nov 2013 10:21 AM
Everything has flaws.
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04 Nov 2013 03:50 PM
No, it was caused by oppressive governments.
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So you are saying there are no poor people in capitalism?


The industrial revolution brought our world more progress than anything. We would still be living in horrible conditions if not for it. Also, there was imperialism before the Industrial Revolution.
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The industrial revolution lead to an increase in imperialism with the Scramble for Africa and the colonization of Asia and the Middle East. And many people died during The Industrial Revolution



Wage slavery is a term, but is not slavery
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Yes it is

That isn't capitalism.
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It was caused by capitalism



Again, forced labour isn't capitalism.
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It shows that capitalism leads to imperialism


A country like Zimbabwe used to work perfectly well and people were living fine until their socialist government took over.
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No because it is ruled by a corrupt dictator who has been president for decades

It was done by governments, not capitalism. Also, even in capitalist societies, murdering people is illegal.
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The Europeans took their land and resources to make their capitalist economy better. The more land and resources you have, the better you will succeed in capitalism
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