skyarex
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:09 PM |
The layout now is just so confusing. How are you even supposed to know when one thread ends and another begins, or which subforum is which. There are no boarders! Just white space everywhere! Everywhere!
Keep the symbols next to the thread, they are fine. But the lack of colour of any kind just makes the forum (and I know i have said this before) look like it hasn't loaded properly.
For some reason there are also two reply buttons. While this is essential for forums which allow for you to actually QUOTE people, if roblox doesn't even allow that then it is pointless!
Furthermore, the reply to screen literally looks like the old roblox layout but without any boarders. WHY? WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE BOARDERS? IT LOOKS UNFINISHED. Please add boarders.
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:15 PM |
| sky well roblox is failing more and more everyday, what do you expect? |
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:16 PM |
"The layout now is just so confusing. How are you even supposed to know when one thread ends and another begins, or which subforum is which. There are no boarders! Just white space everywhere! Everywhere!"
I don't know what forum you're looking at, but it's extremely easy to see where one thread ends and another begins. If you hover over the thread, in a sub forum, it will be highlighted in grey. You'll also find that there are blue headers for the group the sub forum belongs to, and again if you hover over the subforum name it's highlighted. There are also borders between each one. |
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skyarex
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:16 PM |
Some more things:
The home, search and my forums thing is all clumped together. Nobody is going to realise they are all three separate buttons if they are that close together.
My largest complaint is that the title is above the boarder which separates the rest of the post, which makes it seem like the title isn't part of the post at all.
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:19 PM |
"The home, search and my forums thing is all clumped together. Nobody is going to realise they are all three separate buttons if they are that close together."
They're separated by separating lines, with each having an effect when the mouse passes over. I don't see the issue at all. They were this close together in the old layout, except they had icons before if I'm not mistaken.
"My largest complaint is that the title is above the boarder which separates the rest of the post, which makes it seem like the title isn't part of the post at all."
Agreed on this, however.
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skyarex
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:20 PM |
"I don't know what forum you're looking at, but it's extremely easy to see where one thread ends and another begins. If you hover over the thread, in a sub forum, it will be highlighted in grey. You'll also find that there are blue headers for the group the sub forum belongs to, and again if you hover over the subforum name it's highlighted. There are also borders between each one."
Bear in mind that there used to be oranges and blues and greys used in the old layout, compared to just gray, blue and white, which makes it so much more difficult to tell which subforum is which. Add that to the fact that everything is a lot more closer together now (when you are on the main forum page anyway) and it just makes it much more difficult to find what you want. Whether or not it is "impossible" will differ from person to person, but adding all of these factors just creates an experience which is overall much more inconvenient for the user.
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:20 PM |
I'm still trying to calibrate a success rate for the rantstorm that's about to appear. This thread is going to go into the negative considerations.
"The layout now is just so confusing. How are you even supposed to know when one thread ends and another begins, or which subforum is which. There are no boarders! Just white space everywhere! Everywhere!" BY READING THE BLUE LINKS. DUH.
Sorry, but still. Seriously.
"Keep the symbols next to the thread, they are fine. But the lack of colour of any kind just makes the forum (and I know i have said this before) look like it hasn't loaded properly." Subjective.
"For some reason there are also two reply buttons. While this is essential for forums which allow for you to actually QUOTE people, if roblox doesn't even allow that then it is pointless!" Uhm, Not having to scroll to the bottom of the page to reply to things?
"Furthermore, the reply to screen literally looks like the old roblox layout but without any boarders. WHY? WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE BOARDERS? IT LOOKS UNFINISHED. Please add boarders." Again, Subjective.
I cannot see from a design standpoint more than one thing that roblox can benefit from here. |
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OperaMini
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:22 PM |
"Uhm, Not having to scroll to the bottom of the page to reply to things?"
you never had to
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skyarex
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:23 PM |
"They're separated by separating lines, with each having an effect when the mouse passes over. I don't see the issue at all. They were this close together in the old layout, except they had icons before if I'm not mistaken. "
They were far away from eachother. But now they are a space bar press away. If you understand user interfaces at all then you would know that having things that close together makes it:
1) Much more difficult to actually press 2) Much more difficult to differentiate the actual buttons.
It isn't supposed to be the case of me hovering over it in order to see what is a button and what isn't, it should be CLEAR that these are all separate.
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:23 PM |
Exactly opera,
And I would like it to stay that way. |
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OperaMini
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:26 PM |
"Exactly opera,
And I would like it to stay that way."
what about not having it on the bottom and still having the button on every post?
On the other hand, I'm left-handed. |
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:27 PM |
@Sky, It _IS_ clear that they're separate buttons, and they're _NOT_ more difficult to click. I'm sorry, but that's a really picky thing to pick out. I could understand if they had of plonked the words, with a two pixel gap between them, in a line without any form of separating line, etc. |
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:28 PM |
There's a difference to the two, opera.
The bottom one shows you the OP in the reply, And the one next to a post shows you the most recent on the post in the reply.
Both are useful for different things. |
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skyarex
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:30 PM |
"I cannot see from a design standpoint more than one thing that roblox can benefit from here."
Okay, here is an in depth analysis of everything roblox is doing wrong with this new user interface.
1) Buttons are not clear and do not stand out as buttons. Clear examples are the home search and myforums button, which are a space bar away from each other. The actual button itself is incredibly tiny, and they are so close to each other that it looks like one actual button.
2) The title doesn't look like it is part of the post. Fairly obvious. That is hardly subjective when the title is separate from the rest of the post to begin with.
3) The new addition of a post button is pointless. The bottom post button is far less convenient than the post buttons after each post, so why add that in?
4) The forum is so much smaller and a lot more clumped together. It makes it more difficult to find what you want, because instead of spaced out sub forums, they are clumped and look wordy.
These are my main gripes with it.
The thing which i don't understand though is why people defend updates like this for the sake of it. The whole point of S&I is your opinion of things in roblox. Why act as though nothing is the problem?
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skyarex
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:32 PM |
>It _IS_ clear that they're separate buttons, and they're _NOT_ more difficult to click. I'm sorry, but that's a really picky thing to pick out. I could understand if they had of plonked the words, with a two pixel gap between them, in a line without any form of separating line, etc.
Not everyone is you! You are SUPPOSED- that is right, SUPPOSED to make the buttons FREAKING CLEAR AS DAY.
CLEAR AS DAY.
I NEED TO SEE CLEARLY THAT THESE ARE ALL SEPERATE BUTTONS. BUT WHAT ARE THEY? THE SAME COLOUR, THE SAME SIZE, THE SAME SPACE APART and INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT TO MAKE OUT.
The vast majority if not all people should tell they are buttons, not just you.
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:33 PM |
I don't like this layout, so support.
~Deathinize~ |
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:35 PM |
| I like the new layout better. ;P |
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:36 PM |
They are clearly different buttons as indicated by the separator line, which is easily distinguishable from other elements around it (which are none, basically). They also clearly stand out on the white background.
I could understand this gripe if the three words started to make a sentence, or similar, but they do not.
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:46 PM |
"1) Buttons are not clear and do not stand out as buttons. Clear examples are the home search and myforums button, which are a space bar away from each other. The actual button itself is incredibly tiny, and they are so close to each other that it looks like one actual button." They aren't buttons; They're hyperlinks. You look at the word, not the picture for hyperlinks. But, I see your point. Also, the distance between thread hyperlinks is 1cm on my computer, for refence.
"2) The title doesn't look like it is part of the post. Fairly obvious. That is hardly subjective when the title is separate from the rest of the post to begin with." ...And? Doesn't need to be. It just needs to be big (to get your attention) and at the top of the post, which it does.
"3) The new addition of a post button is pointless. The bottom post button is far less convenient than the post buttons after each post, so why add that in?" One links to the OP, One links to the most recent post. Generally, suggesting to remove something useless is just as useless- It'll take time to remove that button, for no benefit. "4) The forum is so much smaller and a lot more clumped together. It makes it more difficult to find what you want, because instead of spaced out sub forums, they are clumped and look wordy." ... Not for me.
These are my main gripes with it.
"The thing which i don't understand though is why people defend updates like this for the sake of it. The whole point of S&I is your opinion of things in roblox. Why act as though nothing is the problem?" Absolutely incorrect. The point of S&I has never had anything to do with stating your opinion alone.
EVER. This is coming from one of the most experienced people in S&I. It's NEVER been about opinion. It's been about CONSTRUCTION. Constructive criticism, the only thing S&I should be used for and the one thing I absolutely throw fits of rage when ignorant morons (not calling you one, just generalising) forget about.
An opinion is useless from a design standpoint. (and I should point out that the design standpoint is the most important and useful standpoint.) Constructive critisism can stem from an opinion, but it is best done emotionless.
An opinion is just that, an opinion. No depth to it. Constructive criticism gives you something to work with, it gives you a medium between two parties. You are far more likely to get something you want done in these kinds of situations if you gave constructive critisism, instead of opinions. Opinions have proven roblox's community to be imbeciles, for the general whole. That's not true for construction, and that's why I defend any update roblox makes. Because morons shouldn't have an opinion. Which you just have though, so commemorations on that.
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hdtv13
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| 28 Oct 2013 02:51 PM |
"An opinion is just that, an opinion. No depth to it. Constructive criticism gives you something to work with, it gives you a medium between two parties. You are far more likely to get something you want done in these kinds of situations if you gave constructive critisism, instead of opinions. Opinions have proven roblox's community to be imbeciles, for the general whole. That's not true for construction, and that's why I defend any update roblox makes. Because morons shouldn't have an opinion. Which you just have though, so commemorations on that."
Oh my gosh....what stereotype
Our opinions arent worthless if its not constructive, you stupid idiot think if we arent constructive no matter how bad the idea is we shouldnt have an opinion
I can tolerate this new layout but the new textures have ruined the look of my game. And my gosh, those studs are ugly. Do I have to explain? Its not like in real life when I call something stupid I dont sit there explaining to whoever im talking to why.
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| 28 Oct 2013 03:28 PM |
"Oh my gosh....what stereotype
Our opinions arent worthless if its not constructive, you stupid idiot think if we arent constructive no matter how bad the idea is we shouldnt have an opinion"
They are worthless in that case, actually.
You need reason for what you say and what you do. If there is no reason, well then what is the point? |
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| 28 Oct 2013 03:33 PM |
Even if it doesnt have evidence doesnt mean its bad.
Its like saying keep all the bad ideas because nobody is constructive about them. Thats the point.
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| 28 Oct 2013 03:43 PM |
"Even if it doesnt have evidence doesnt mean its bad.
Its like saying keep all the bad ideas because nobody is constructive about them. Thats the point."
What makes these ideas bad?
And I never asked for evidence. I asked for reason. Reason that is more than just disappointed people who want nostalgia. |
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