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| 18 Oct 2013 08:44 PM |
| Im so glad we have a huge thread talking about the contemporary terrible writing of My Little Pony (sarcasm) but cannot talk thoughtfully and in depth about the Catcher in the Rye. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 08:45 PM |
I like My Little Pony, and Catcher in the Rye.
They're both very good, but not to be compared to. |
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Mr44
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| 18 Oct 2013 08:55 PM |
> Im so glad we have a huge thread talking about the contemporary terrible writing of My Little Pony (sarcasm) but cannot talk thoughtfully and in depth about the Catcher in the Rye.
Yes, belittle a group of tweens for not reading a book about teen angst in the 50's. That's the sensible thing to do.
Also, don't expect an immediate reply to a new thread in 8 minutes. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 09:30 PM |
lol you got mad without anyone responding in less than 10 minutes I laughed |
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NilPirate
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| 18 Oct 2013 09:44 PM |
| I just finished Catcher in the Rye a few days ago actually. That book's a wild ride and a half, but my opinion on it boils down to this: You have to read the book all the way through. In the last 10% of the book, the themes and messages do a complete 180 from confirming Holden's omnihate to tempering it with doubt and giving it justification. I was at war with this book up until he went to see Phoebe, but her presence transforms Holden into somebody who actually cares and just doesn't appreciate the amount of injustice around him. It's difficult to put into words, but Salinger definitely knew what he was doing, that's for sure. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:01 PM |
@Anyone claiming I am mad; I'm not going to give you any real time of day, besides now, since this is a thread for logical discussion about a book that pretty much every teenager should read due to its theme.
@Nil; I do like Holden's hate for the movies it's not so much the meaning of his hate but more of an entertainment aspect. Though Salinger had a personal hate for in depth reading and saying it takes away from the story, if you didn't read the story closely then it would appear dry and boring without examining the red hat, why Holden didn't want to throw the snow ball at the "nice and white" car. I think of all "coming of age" books the Catcher in the Rye was the best because Holden appeared unlikable which is how we all secretly know ourselves compared to the innocent and blissfully ignorant Jean Finch from "To Kill a Mocking Bird" but don't get me wrong, I like TKAMB just Holden is easier to connect with from a teenager point of view. |
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NilPirate
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:06 PM |
| I come at it from a different point of view, really. To be honest I'm surprised Salinger had a dislike for close reading, as that's something I felt going through this book for English class. I don't like how I have to identify something as minor as how the hunting hat is a "hiding mechanism" for Holden; obviously it holds meaning to him, but it's reflective of the story itself in that it both has meaning and in the end is just a hat. The story, while it may have themes and morals, is not a metaphor; it is a story in the end, not a school assignment. To Kill a Mockingbird is definitely more direct in trying to communicate a point of view first and foremost. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:10 PM |
| Also going back to the MLP fans, regrettably because I said I wouldn't, saying I am "mad" you literally proved my point while at the same time... missing my point. The Catcher in the Rye is book about stuff you will probably go through in real life the losing of innocence and coming into adulthood- only a fool would deny that- while MLP really doesn't cover it the same way the Catcher in the Rye does, which I doubt it does talk the same ideas Catcher in the Rye does and I've seen quite a few episodes to make a valid assessment, so all in all it's not me who is mad it is you who does not want to read with importance. There is a reason why the Catcher in the Rye, almost 60 years ago since being published, remains relevant in society. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:17 PM |
| I read the book on my own, in one of Salinger other books in his dedication he mentions his dislike for close reading so you probably wouldn't know that in the Catcher in the Rye. I read the Catcher in the Rye in depth by choice though, maybe the young writer in me, and so I find that these themes and morals so much better and meaningful within the comfort of my own home compared to sitting in a classroom with people who do it just to get an A on a report. The Catcher in the Rye is not a book that should be forced to be read in English classes, it's not a book for occasions like that you need to want to read the book on your own by yourself to have true appreciation for the book. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:31 PM |
1. I am not an MLP fan. 2. You posted a thread that was showing clear angst at MLP because nobody responded to you within 8 minutes of posting a thread in a dead forum. 3. what the heck do you mean by "read on your own"? I haven't been read to by my mommy in nine years. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:32 PM |
| correction: you made a post, not a thread |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:36 PM |
I'm not going to bother, why would I? You won't see eye to eye with what I have to say, which is fine, even though some, not all, of your points are invalid like be being "mad".
I suggest we agree to disagree. |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:37 PM |
| Where did I disagree with you? |
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| 18 Oct 2013 10:41 PM |
You said I was mad, I told you I wasn't, paraphrasing, you still implied I was mad so I guess you disagreed with the fact I wasn't mad so I don't know you tell me.
Or better yet, talk about the book. |
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