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Re: Superclans

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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 01:25 PM
I honestly believe that superclans cannot have an overall high level of skill, discipline, and maturity. The main reason for this is the lack of filtering. Everybody and anybody can join, resulting in a massive amount of members who sit idle in the first rank, and a high level of inactivity. Mainly, superclans rely on numbers over skill. Yes, numbers is something great to have in a clan and in war, but it will not carry a clan to prosperity. Most superclans, if not all, rely on an elite subdivision to actually carry out war. Examples of these include WIJ ST, TRA Elites, and JC Imperial Guards (which isn't elite at all really).

Now let's look at clans like VAK, which are called powerclans. They are filled with a small amount of active, skilled, and disciplined members. Yes, they are small in numbers, but in activity, they are unrivaled. If you have ever seen a VAK raid, you will notice their unrivaled ability to completely fill a server. Added to this is their skill, which causes servers to be captured efficiently and quickly. From what I've seen VAK raids seem more like an extermination of their enemies more than a struggle for control.

With these factors in mind, I have come to the conclusion that powerclans, especially VAK, are vastly superior to superclans such as FEAR, RAT, and yes, even WIJ. Please feel free to comment as to your opinion on the two different clan types, and what you believe differentiates them.
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MouldyNukeBombAbs is not online. MouldyNukeBombAbs
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11 Oct 2013 01:26 PM
WIJ are much more better than VAK.
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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 01:26 PM
Did you even read my explanation?
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rolliply is not online. rolliply
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11 Oct 2013 01:27 PM
I sense a flame war coming.

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MouldyNukeBombAbs is not online. MouldyNukeBombAbs
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11 Oct 2013 01:27 PM
"Most superclans, if not all, rely on an elite subdivision to actually carry out war. Examples of these include WIJ ST, TRA Elites, and JC Imperial Guards (which isn't elite at all really). "

Hilariously wrong.
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MouldyNukeBombAbs is not online. MouldyNukeBombAbs
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11 Oct 2013 01:28 PM
Nah, I prefer to not insult VAKs/VACs, I don't really have a hate or "like" sort of opinion towards them.
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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 01:28 PM
Actually, if you look at how superclan wars are carried out, you will notice that they are mostly, if not completely, decided upon by a "final battle" where the elite subdivision battle in a fair war zone.
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govand554 is not online. govand554
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11 Oct 2013 01:29 PM
Eh... I'd say I have to agree.
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Grod24 is not online. Grod24
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11 Oct 2013 01:29 PM
Unfortunately I agree, it is a harsh world, Superclans have spent so much Robux on Ads, to receive inactive, unloyal members, Powerclans just get members from their reputation.
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MouldyNukeBombAbs is not online. MouldyNukeBombAbs
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11 Oct 2013 01:30 PM
"wars are carried out"

You mean how the deciding battle is carried out. I must have misunderstood.

Also, final battles have been ruled out by MANY clans, due to the use of mercenaries, now they use the system of the first one to achieve a certain number of raid wins.
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EpicHunter82 is not online. EpicHunter82
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11 Oct 2013 01:30 PM
Screw final battles, beat the crap out of the opposite clan until they surrender.
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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 01:33 PM
I still see final battles in the wars that I have witnessed. Also, you will see that many of the active members of a superclan just so happen to also be in the elite division of it. That is obviously not how war is supposed to work. The VAK - TGI war is an excellent representation of how war in the clan world should be carried out; fight until the last breath, and to the death.
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MouldyNukeBombAbs is not online. MouldyNukeBombAbs
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11 Oct 2013 01:34 PM
I still see final battles in the wars that I have witnessed.

Maybe, but a lot of wars are now decided by raid wins.

Also, you will see that many of the active members of a superclan just so happen to also be in the elite division of it. That is obviously not how war is supposed to work.

In terms of UAF, not really. I'm a very active member, yet I'm not in the elite division.

The VAK - TGI war is an excellent representation of how war in the clan world should be carried out; fight until the last breath, and to the death.

Absolutely not, both clans will die off.
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hungryoven is not online. hungryoven
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11 Oct 2013 01:36 PM
I'd say FC and UAF are good.

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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 01:39 PM
"Maybe, but a lot of wars are now decided by raid wins."

Superclan wars that I have witnessed or heard about are mostly decided upon by final battles. Unfortunately, this has become a sort of staple of superclan conflicts.
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"I'm a very active member, yet I'm not in the elite division."

I didn't mean that all, or even most members who are active are in the elite division of a superclan. I simply meant that in many cases, the elite division of a superclan are actually the true representatives of its skill.
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"Absolutely not, both clans will die off."

Actually, from what I've heard about VAK at least, activity has boosted due to the increased number of raids, defense scenarios, and overall boosted clan member unity.

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MouldyNukeBombAbs is not online. MouldyNukeBombAbs
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11 Oct 2013 01:41 PM
VAK may have become better, but TGI is suffering.

" the elite division of a superclan are actually the true representatives of its skill."

Not really, skill just doesn't come from how you can click your left-mouse button to kill others. It's about leadership, handling internal relations AND technology, along with combatants.

Superclan wars stopped final battles long ago, what are you on?
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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 01:48 PM
"VAK may have become better, but TGI is suffering."

That's basically what the point of the war is: break the enemy.
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"Not really, skill just doesn't come from how you can click your left-mouse button to kill others. It's about leadership, handling internal relations AND technology, along with combatants."

Yes, but when it comes time to declare a victor, internal leadership, relations, and technology will not play a very big role.
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"Superclan wars stopped final battles long ago, what are you on?"

There has not been a major superclan war in quite a while. Sure, there have been minor skirmishes, but in all truth, a highly influential war hasn't occurred in quite some time. So, I will admit that I can't exactly make a very strong point on this one. I suppose time will tell. I will say, however, that superclan skill is for the most part, very, very, inferior to the skill of say, VAK.
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oliii is not online. oliii
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11 Oct 2013 01:52 PM
"Now let's look at clans like VAK, which are called powerclans. They are filled with a small amount of active, skilled, and disciplined members."
>Looks at primary

Nuff' said.
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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 02:14 PM
">Looks at primary

Nuff' said."

I have no idea what you're talking about as I don't have a primary.
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oliii is not online. oliii
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11 Oct 2013 03:39 PM
Nice that, you had VAC before you saw my post.
gg m8
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AnarchyMaster is not online. AnarchyMaster
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11 Oct 2013 03:43 PM
Actually, I'm still a VAC applicant. I haven't gotten into VAC yet.
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Jartex is not online. Jartex
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11 Oct 2013 03:48 PM
I'd agree entirely except the point about activity/skill.

Given that FEAR have around 141K members
and 93K enlists, who are considered inactive or who haven't contributed
this would mean that 48K - give or take 10K - have actually contributed to the clan.
Out if these 48K members, I'm sure there's - at the least - 24K that are just as good as some VAC's/VAK's. It's not an attempt to downgrade VAK's, I respect their level skill greatly, but at the end of the day, you can only be so good at clicking, until a point where you can't get any better, while others continue to improve.

FEAR's just an example, I really don't have any association with them, so my numbers are highly unreliable.
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hungryoven is not online. hungryoven
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11 Oct 2013 03:51 PM
FEAR random promotes to make themselves look active
Also they promote for buying uni
Very few FEAR have skill equal to VAKs

Slave of the day : Murciielago . Fetch me a sandwich
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Jartex is not online. Jartex
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11 Oct 2013 03:51 PM
"Out if these 48K..."
*of
"I respect their level skill..."
*skill level
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Jartex is not online. Jartex
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11 Oct 2013 03:53 PM
Is that words from experience, or opinion?
It's not rhetorical
I'm genuinely interested.
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