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Re: The Affordable Care Act makes people lazier

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darkfire261 is not online. darkfire261
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06 Oct 2013 07:48 PM
Its basically this:

>Low income people go to healthcare.gov
>They ask the government to choose a insurance for them
>Government gives them the cheapest option
>Welfare recipients pay their Obamacare with their welfare.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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06 Oct 2013 07:52 PM
Thank you
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civilizationfreak is not online. civilizationfreak
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06 Oct 2013 07:59 PM
a lot of things make people lazier not really sure what you're trying to say
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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06 Oct 2013 08:01 PM
People in poverty become healthier

People in poverty become more productive

People in poverty get out of poverty

Govt gets richer
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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06 Oct 2013 08:13 PM
most people who dont have heatlth insurance

take a wild guess













are employed
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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06 Oct 2013 08:14 PM
People in poverty become healthier
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Without earning it

People in poverty become more productive
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How?

People in poverty get out of poverty
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At producers expense.

Govt gets richer
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At producers expense.
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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06 Oct 2013 08:17 PM
how do you earn healthcare? most people who are not subscribed either got dropped, the employer cut it, or they cant because of pre-existing conditions.
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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06 Oct 2013 08:17 PM
"How?"

Better health = More attendance at work and an ethos to work harder

People with better mental health generally work harder

"At producers expense."

Define "producer" in this case.
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PokemonLight is not online. PokemonLight
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06 Oct 2013 08:18 PM
Why don't you want to help poor people?
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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06 Oct 2013 08:19 PM
because its their fault that they are poor, nevermind factors that they can't control
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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06 Oct 2013 08:19 PM
^ not sure if sarcasm
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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06 Oct 2013 08:20 PM
it is

i'm not that naive
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K0DE5 is not online. K0DE5
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06 Oct 2013 08:23 PM
I was about to say something... I'll stick out of this one.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Oct 2013 08:32 PM
No it doesn't you're just against it because you see it as a socialist program

All in all it's just a very complicated way of subsidizing healthcare. It's been attempted by both parties 5 times since 1977

But of course when a democrat does it republicans hate it, and vice versa

I personally think its way too bloated and complicated and needs to be simplified
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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06 Oct 2013 08:36 PM
yeah, ~2700 pages is a lot.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Oct 2013 08:36 PM
Shut up you're a socialist liberal living on welfare you have no right to speak on this matter because all it will entail is obvious indoctrination and bias
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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06 Oct 2013 08:55 PM
how do you earn healthcare? most people who are not subscribed either got dropped, the employer cut it, or they cant because of pre-existing conditions.
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Need help? Go to a non-profit hospital, they have very good quality as it is because the government isn't intervening.. If you want the best healthcare, simply work.
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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06 Oct 2013 08:57 PM
"If you want the best healthcare, simply work."

because apparently jobs are extremely widely available and there ISN'T an issue with people being underemployed.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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06 Oct 2013 08:59 PM
because apparently jobs are extremely widely available and there ISN'T an issue with people being underemployed.
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If you want unemployment to not be an issue, abolish minimum wage.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Oct 2013 08:59 PM
Why are you taking pepper seriously he is a tea party conservative

He gets his ideals from people who grew up in the 1960s when jobs were plentiful
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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06 Oct 2013 09:01 PM
"If you want unemployment to not be an issue, abolish minimum wage."

Stop taking this off track.

We know that people with classy education are being under educated. If you're someone with poor grades, how on Earth are you going to compete with the educated people?
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Oct 2013 09:02 PM
It's a mix of personal responsibility and the overall state of the job market
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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06 Oct 2013 09:06 PM
We know that people with classy education are being under educated. If you're someone with poor grades, how on Earth are you going to compete with the educated people?
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This is not an education issue. Its a jobs issue. Those with the education are having a hard time find jobs because the government is telling business that they have to pay workers at a certain wage. It is better to be educated, certainly, but what use is it if the government is putting it to waste?
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XC6Alt33 is not online. XC6Alt33
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06 Oct 2013 09:07 PM
"This is not an education issue. Its a jobs issue."

Both of which are directly intertwined.
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sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
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06 Oct 2013 09:08 PM
Pepper if we abolish minimum wage then the quality of jobs will drop

We'll become like china where most of our population is impoverished and cannot purchase the goods they make
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