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| 24 Sep 2013 08:08 PM |
Since I am getting the same responses over and over again in my old thread explaining this: http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=113862591
I figured I need to make a new thread explaining all those points as well.
The price flooring means that everyone ( yes, even the non-bc ) will be getting more money. For those of you not too familiar with economics, this is known as inflation, whenever the value of products goes up.
By doing this, they are giving everyone a chance to earn more and more money. Not only does this mean that the price of clothing goes up, but the price of everything will go up. The prices will rise slowly at first however, this means that paid access games will seem not as expensive and possibly be used more. So visits to paid games will increase, and with the increase in visits so will the price increase. And for those of you who still have not realized this, NBC players can make paid access games.
Non-BC players can easily make money through creating places. And unlike popular belief, to get profit off of a place you do not have to make it well scripted, built and advertised, just one of the three. You see games that are built super well being featured all of the time with little to no scripting. And sometimes what scripts they do have are free models. You also see games that have no real value to them, totally copied, nothing worth visiting but they have great advertising schemes so they get there. And then you have games like mine where they are not aesthetically appealing however they are really well scripted. And I did not even advertise my games to get them to front page, people just enjoyed playing them so they got there. Now I get about 100,000 tickets a week and my main account has over 2 million tickets and 500,000 robux stored on it. The account, SDuke524, got perma-banned for unjust reason. But I digress.
Whenever roblox finally releases that promised update where group funds can be distributed throughout the users/workers of the group, then the group funds will be flooding with money because of this update and thus, the robloxians will get tons of money in which they can use for everything. If you think most companies won't pay, believe me they will. History shows that if companies refuse to give fair working conditions and wages then labor unions form and the company will either be forced to change or it will be destroyed. Also with the release of this update multiple new companies competing to have the best wages will sprout up because of the great economic opportunity. If you cannot work for one of those for some reason, make your own and profit even more. On the subject of updates, Shedeltsky has many times hinted that they plan on making game passes available for all users to sell. Thus, another source of income.
If quality does increase in items ( which it will at first due to people expecting more bang for their buck and then whenever the prices become standard, so will the nice clothes become standard ) then the quality of games, which is already on a high rise, will also continue to go up. Greatly so as well since like I predicted earlier, paid access games will increase and people will not pay to play a game that flat-out is not good.
Also since this is an online game and money is endless, we do not have to worry about the government treasury's becoming empty like it has in the past with inflation of this sort ( see the US silver-standard of 1933 ).
For those of you that think the prices are obnoxious no matter how it benefits us, do you really need to buy a new outfit every day? Honestly I will change my clothes on roblox every 1-2 months and in that time you could have another full set of clothing easily. Also the fact that things are more expensive now means that it adds another goal which as all good game makers know, adding a goal for people to accomplish that is reachable, but still a bit far away, only makes people strive to play more. The only reason they would quit is if they couldn't for the life of them reach that goal. But with the idea of "I only have to log on 25 more times to get it." makes it a visible goal and more attractive to finish. Same reason why the 100 hour rule for learning a new skill works. You sit down and focus 100 hours ( not all at once ) on doing that skill and you won't quit. Same concept here.
For all of you complaining that clothes makers lose money. How? You are not paying taxes, rent, electricity, utilities, gas, etc. on roblox. Where is your money going? Other clothes? And if they do spend money on other clothes then the money just goes back into the economy and continues to circulate to be fed out to everyone else as well. Fact of the matter is you cannot lose money on roblox unless you spend it. To those that argue about the sales tax, with the price of 25 robux you lose 2 robux a day. However you also gain 10 tickets a day, which is equivalent to about 1 robux, and there are millions of plays a day, being 1 ticket for each play which is equivalent to about 100,000 robux. The 2 robux is a minor setback but in the end will not make a huge impact in the case of lost money.
For those of you saying this will end roblox because of protests and people quitting, it won't. This happens with literally every single update. People held huge protests against BC games for 2 days straight and then it eventually died down and people always threaten that they will quit. Heck, you should have seen the amount of people threatening to quit in 2009 because roblox switched from circle studs to square studs. Yeah, same amount claiming they will quit today. Truth is, a few of them might actually carry out their threat and quit, a few will try to but then find themselves back here in a week or two but most people will continue to play as normal, and the smart ones will benefit from this update.
For people complaining about uniforms, there are millions of scripts to easily put uniforms onto your characters automatically when they enter the game. If you cannot do that, then get group t-shirts which are cheaper or simply a group color scheme that you can do with the body part colors which if done right could look a lot cooler.
If you are to argue, please read the entire thing because more likely than not, I covered all of your complaints and hopefully this will change your mind to instead reap the benefits of the update rather than throw a little hissy-fit because you cannot buy clothes that you probably would not have bought in the first place.
Thank you, ~SDuke524 |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:08 PM |
Repeating that last statement for all of you that skipped over it:
If you are to argue, please read the entire thing because more likely than not, I covered all of your complaints and hopefully this will change your mind to instead reap the benefits of the update rather than throw a little hissy-fit because you cannot buy clothes that you probably would not have bought in the first place.
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:10 PM |
| I'm sorry, but the NBC'ers CANNOT sell any items. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:12 PM |
| .....We still make 10 tickets a day. Sorry, invalid statement. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:14 PM |
And you both obviously did not read anything since I addressed both those topics multiple times.
========================================================================================= ===From this moment on I will only answer to intelligent responses, sorry I had to answer those two.=== =========================================================================================
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:21 PM |
| You do not seem to understand, NONE OF THIS WILL HAPPEN. Roblox just simply raised the prices so they could make more money. It will not help the NBCers in anyway. It will hardly even help BCers. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:21 PM |
By the lack of responses, I will take that to mean that the argument is officially over.
The update of the price floor is an amazing update and will benefit everyone in the roblox economy.
~SDuke524 |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:22 PM |
Lack of intelligent responses with actual logic and/or proof to back it*
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:22 PM |
You dont know that these two read the whole thing. They could've, or couldn't. Being the boss in shoved by the 8-ball into a crispy hole. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:23 PM |
| NBCers making more money? What are you smoking? They can't sell anything. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:24 PM |
@jacey I can because the points they made were covered in the post. Meaning that if they thought it was still relevant then either A. they would provide a reason why I am incorrect besides just saying "your argument is invalid" and explain why that is. or B. They did not read it and did not realize that it was already proven.
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:25 PM |
You want logic and proof? Take your uniform crud for example.
During raids, another group will not be able to script an opposing raider teams uniform on unless it's an official war.
Nobody is replying because....well none of this is true and nobody really cares. They want shirts to be cheap again is all. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:25 PM |
read entire thing
your logic is flawed
try harder next ime |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:27 PM |
You have a fair argument, however.
I, as a clothing maker, make quite a few sales on my popular shirts. Now, this is a fair question: Will more people buy items that are cheap, and how does that compare to higher priced items? Mass selling pretty much has the same, if not better sale value then higher priced items, be they better quality or not. In case you haven't noticed, 90% of ROBLOX don't see the quality in shading. Grab a shirt, paint it black, and say "SWAG DON'T COME CHEAP" and 100,000 people will buy it.
TL;DR: Mass selling, for me, is better than higher priced, higher quality items.
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chewy5677
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:28 PM |
The Admins thought it would be appropriate to Raise the Price floors for 3 reasons
1.Raise the quality of items in the catalog.
2.Reward makers and sellers of clothing.
3.To incentivize non-paying users to buy ROBUX.
The problems with these,
1. To raise the quality of items in the Catalog. From a Philosopher's prospective Quality is in the eye of the beholder, You cannot tell us what does and doesn't have a Quality appearance or look. This argument u suggested is Invalid for that soul purpose.
2. To Reward makers and sellers of clothing. With this idea, your making this less of a capitalistic and merchandising of the Roblox market, And so forth doing exactly what churches did by setting fixed prices which led to less competition and less diversity. Which also led to lesser quality items for higher prices which insults your first argument too. The Price is set by the creator and seller for a reason.
3. To incentivize non-paying Users to buy Robux First off Roblox from the beginning was supposed to be free. Now your forcing the players to Buy Buy Buy! This is a bad idea in the concept of many people play roblox because it was free. People Buy Builders club for exclusive entitlements that free players cannot have. But Now it seems to be a sin/ taboo to be a free user or broke. which is now teaching Discrimination. (Good Work!)
You sir are teaching these kids its okay to let your rights to be stomped on and saying its okay to discriminate against people without money and those with should be appraised. Please if ur gonna make a post about the reasons why its good too raise the price please shush for u dont know what u are speaking of <3 - With Love Chewy |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:28 PM |
| Don't support sorry man.I know i'm a Obc but its a huge slap in the face to nbc who cant buy anything.Also did you ever think that new people join Roblox and they cant even buy anything because they have no clothing. |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:29 PM |
@Getdrawncheap I gave an alternative to raiding with uniforms by making body part color schemes or t-shirts for lower ranked members. Also with a global C&G database consistently updating the scripted uniforms would be very easily accessible to all clans everywhere.
I explained multiple times why it being expensive will not be a factor after a small amount of time has passed due to inflation gaining everyone enough money to where the prices do not mean as much. Plus I mentioned how you do not even buy clothes as often as you think.
What is untrue about the rest of the stuff? And you guys apparently do care. Otherwise why would you respond?
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:29 PM |
Atleast Rodney perfeck gets satisfaction from it.
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:32 PM |
@chewy In what way do the reasons listed there have anything to do with the reasons I listed.
@TheDuckOfYork Explain why. Otherwise that just shows that you have no true argument and are only resulting to an attempt to attack emotional values instead of logical that way the argument is still in some way winnable by no longer discussing the actual, logical, discussion.
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:34 PM |
stop wasting your time, your entire post is flawed
your "good" inflation will simply continually lower money, as we still keep the same base income
and, as an addon to that, few nbcers actually sell paid access to an audience
and, all of your "good" alternatives, are just lack-luster fixes
the game as a whole is better off without this update
if you have any problems with my evaluation of your stupidity, i would be glad to hear you whine |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:36 PM |
| nbc members can't sell anything. are you in your right state of mind right now, sir? |
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:36 PM |
In this thread, you act like inflation is a good thing.
It's not. It just raises the price of anything, but no daily amounts will raise at all, so in effect we will be poorer. |
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chewy5677
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| 24 Sep 2013 08:36 PM |
| BJ So u dont even know why they made the update? u just mindlessly agree with Roblox? |
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