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Re: Refinement of the S&I Forum

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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
Joined: 24 Sep 2013
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27 Sep 2013 05:04 PM
Hello ROBLOX moderators and users alike!

My name is schnitzelbank, and I'm here to propose my suggestion for the refinement of the S&I Forum. What do I mean by refinement? I have noticed over my time here that the quality of the ideas posted here has seemed to decline. We receive lots of spam here, "petition" threads, and deliberately inflammatory threads whose sole purpose is to start a raging argument.

The following is a plan for the refinement of user submissions here on Suggestions & Ideas. Constructive criticism is encouraged.

1. New Requirements for Users to Post New Ideas and Reply to Others

Before a user may view or post on the forum, they must read a form similar to that of the What Not to Suggest currently pinned to the top of the forum board. Then, they must take a ten question quiz on the form. If they score an 8 out of ten or above they are allowed to view the Suggestions and Ideas forum. The quiz may be retaken, but the user can only submit a quiz three times. They must follow the following criteria for posting both new ideas and replies.

Under this plan, a user's account must meet the following requirements before posting a new thread to the forum:

- The user's account must be at least 6 months old.
- The user's account must be currently subscribed to any form of Builder's Club.
- The user's account must have the Friendship badge.
- The user's account must have never been banned for any period of time.

To reply to a thread on Suggestions and Ideas, a user must meet all of the above requirements, but also must have posted an idea themselves that has received 10 votes (see below).

2. Votes for Ideas on Suggestions and Ideas

New threads on Suggestions and Ideas can be "voted" upon by other users that can view the forum. The amount of votes for a thread is hidden, only to be shown to the user who posted the thread's account and the ROBLOX forum moderators. When a user's thread has been voted upon 50 times, a link to it is messaged to the ROBLOX forum moderators.

3. Renewed Requirements to Post and View Suggestions & Ideas

Every 3 months, or whenever the entrance form to the Suggestions & Ideas forum is edited by ROBLOX moderators, all users with previous viewing rights have them revoked and must re-test by quiz.
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buzzshockey is not online. buzzshockey
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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27 Sep 2013 05:06 PM
When I saw this "- The user's account must be currently subscribed to any form of Builder's Club." I didn't even bother finishing this. How does no sound?
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:09 PM
I believe that only those that actually invest in this game should be able to post ideas. Their opinions perhaps matter more than that of those who don't purchase Builder's Club.

It is a way of filtering applicants so that the ROBLOX moderators can receive practical, organized ideas without digging through pages upon pages of unwanted threads.
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buzzshockey is not online. buzzshockey
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27 Sep 2013 05:11 PM
Wait so let me get this straight so because someone paid ROBLOX, their more intelligent and they are more organized? Dude NBC are forced looking at offsite ads, which helps ROBLOX a lot. They probably help more than a person that pays $5 for BC.
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Murlix is not online. Murlix
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27 Sep 2013 05:12 PM
It's a good idea, apart from the "must be subscribed to Builder's Club" portion.

~_Add 1,602 to my post count
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lukemad9999 is not online. lukemad9999
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27 Sep 2013 05:12 PM
Support. Would love to have this!
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02Alien is not online. 02Alien
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27 Sep 2013 05:12 PM
"Their opinions perhaps matter more than that of those who don't purchase Builder's Club."
A majority of the roblox community is NBC. Those that are NBC tend not to have any ideas to contribute. What if I'm NBC and I want to propose an idea? If they want to recieve "practical, organized ideas without digging through pages upon pages of unwanted threads," then they will ignore S&I entirely and create a refined way of suggesting things that isn't on this site entirely.
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:13 PM
Because they paid ROBLOX does not necessarily mean they are more intelligent.
I am saying that it is an additional way of filtering applicants and their ideas, no more.

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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:15 PM
Non Builders Club are wasted bandwidth and overall a drain on ROBLOX's servers.
Even if the majority of players here on ROBLOX are NBC, they have no commitment to ROBLOX, nothing tying them to the site and company. A paying customer does.

If ROBLOX were to integrate a game-breaking update, those who pay for it have more of a right to say "no".
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:21 PM
Bump.
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:27 PM
Bump.
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TaiWolf1234 is not online. TaiWolf1234
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27 Sep 2013 05:29 PM
S&I is more than a forum for suggestions that will enhance BCers' gameplay. It's a forum for suggestions that will enhance everyone's gameplay. And, by forbidding NBCers to make suggestions, you're hindering many voices from offering suggestions that no BCer nor staff member may have thought of before.
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:31 PM
If I must reiterate this point, I will.

NBCers should not have a say in the updates and development of ROBLOX. They are not the paying community that generates revenue for the company. Those "voices" are not necessarily thinking of others than themselves, either.
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PwnzaKing is not online. PwnzaKing
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27 Sep 2013 05:32 PM
Yeah I can live with that BUT
it should be people who use to have bc and have now
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:36 PM
Bump.
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TaiWolf1234 is not online. TaiWolf1234
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27 Sep 2013 05:40 PM
"NBCers should not have a say in the updates and development of ROBLOX. They are not the paying community that generates revenue for the company."

-Regardless, though, they may have ideas that could benefit the community tremendously. Why would the staff want to prohibit this?

"Those "voices" are not necessarily thinking of others than themselves, either."

-NBCers might very well suggest something that could enhance their gameplay; their suggestions might benefit the community as a whole, too, though.
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rainbowgirl500 is not online. rainbowgirl500
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27 Sep 2013 05:40 PM
Sorry, I don't support.
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Jolly3DSlover is not online. Jolly3DSlover
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27 Sep 2013 05:40 PM
What? I've been banned several times for no reasons and why do I have to subscribe to Builder's Club just to post the forums. Sir, your idea is bad.
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:41 PM
As of right now, most posts on the forum are about the recent change of clothing price floor.
For NBCers. Posted by NBCers. It seems they don't have a care in the world for others that play ROBLOX.
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:43 PM
If you've been banned, it's for a reason.
You might not see it that way, but a moderator's ruling is final.
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Jolly3DSlover is not online. Jolly3DSlover
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27 Sep 2013 05:44 PM
Schnitzel, SHUT UP. YOU JOINED WHEN THE PRICE FLOOR CAME.
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Rider450 is not online. Rider450
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27 Sep 2013 05:45 PM
what the hell no no no no no newbag sucks at real life

with hatred
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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27 Sep 2013 05:46 PM
"Constructive criticism is encouraged."
I haven't read the thread yet.
I'm going to support it anyway for this sentence alone.
I can tell this is going to be absolutely beautiful, possibly the best S&I thread of 2013 for this post alone.

...
Actually,
That above post made me read it.
That altered the post. .-.
I will say one thing about TaiWolf's post though:

I'll pluck the problems, but my above praise applies to everything else:
"by forbidding NBCers to make suggestions, you're hindering many voices from offering suggestions that no BCer nor staff member may have thought of before."
That "voice" is the number one source of all the problems S&I has, if not all of roblox.
Just saying.

Moving onto the OP:
"1. New Requirements for Users to Post New Ideas and Reply to Others"
I'm assuming this quiz is going to be easy.
I just believe that viewing the WNTS by force every three months is a must, and making the WNTS bannable.
For the prerequisites:
"- The user's account must be at least 6 months old."
I'd say veterans, but support anyway.
People should have some experience in what they're saying before they intervene.
"- The user's account must be currently subscribed to any form of Builder's Club."
I've been an NBCer for two years and a BCer for another two.
I've been on this account, S&Iing, one day after it was made...
Plus I had previous accounts...
NBCers should be heard as well.
...Sometimes.
"- The user's account must have the Friendship badge."
Practically easy to obtain, so it's just flavourtext there.
"-The user's account must have never been banned for any period of time."
No.
Sometimes you can slip, sometimes you get banned questionably.
I've been banned a total of 16 times on this account, and... I'd say I'm still one of the best S&Iers out there, if not the definitive best... so... :/

I'd say 6 months is all you need.
If you really want a second requirement, roblox is apparantly making a reputation system. A high reputation would count for that.

"To reply to a thread on Suggestions and Ideas, a user must meet all of the above requirements, but also must have posted an idea themselves that has received 10 votes (see below)."
I gained confidence by critisising other ideas before I made my own, so I had a sense of what was good, what was bad, etc.
I've seen so many people post a suggestion first, and it's almost always shoddy.

"2. Votes for Ideas on Suggestions and Ideas"
...
That can destroy constructive critisism, something vital for S&I.
What's wrong with moderators continually browsing S&I normally and picking out good ideas, whilst also responding to certain ones that have problems?
That's also important to S&I,
Or was.

"3. Renewed Requirements to Post and View Suggestions & Ideas"
I can agree, I can also disagree.
I mean, if we're going to do an easy quiz, that's it, then... bleh... Not useful.
I want people to view S&I regardless, just cause.

Another refinement would be making the violation of the WNTS bannable.
Just incase riots get out of hand, which they always do.

Mwehsies,
All in all, support.
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Tyscott12 is not online. Tyscott12
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27 Sep 2013 05:46 PM
I got banned for nothing once. Out of no reason. For three days.

And on behalf of all dedicated NBC, this would never work for them. They have invested something into the game, that is time.
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schnitzelbank is not online. schnitzelbank
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27 Sep 2013 05:47 PM
Your insults might be a reason for your temporary bans.

Just because this account is only ~3 days old doesn't mean I haven't been here before.
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