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kiwikitten is not online. kiwikitten
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17 Sep 2013 11:23 PM
1. why didnt nagato just bring yahiko back to life?
2. did jiraiya, one of the legendary sannin, just HAPPEN to come across nagato who possesed rinnegan?
3. did naruto, the 9 tails jinchuriki, just happen to be paired with sasuke uchiha, the survivor of the uchiha clan and the one who itachi planned to posess the eternal mangekyo sharingan? if the two had never met each other, the storyline would pretty much be the same

and some other general rants
1. how on earth was sasori defeated by freaking chiyo and sakura?
2. how did orochimaru belonging to akatsuki contribute to the story at all
3. who is the main antagonist? at first it was orochimaru then it was pain and now it's tobi
4. i think the story would have been a lot better if killer bee was never introduced as a character and gaara replaced his position as naruto's fellow jinchuriki
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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18 Sep 2013 03:30 AM
1. why didnt nagato just bring yahiko back to life?

That would not only deprive him of the Deva Path body, but he didn't have the power to do so back then.

2. did jiraiya, one of the legendary sannin, just HAPPEN to come across nagato who possesed rinnegan?

Prophecy and Plot.

3. did naruto, the 9 tails jinchuriki, just happen to be paired with sasuke uchiha, the survivor of the uchiha clan and the one who itachi planned to posess the eternal mangekyo sharingan? if the two had never met each other, the storyline would pretty much be the same.

That's an idiotic claim. Firstly, it's the show's plot. Don't try to rant on trivial things, you could do this for any show. Why are you trying so hard to bash Naruto?

and some other general rants
1. how on earth was sasori defeated by freaking chiyo and sakura? He arguably held back, plus Chiyo is his grandmother.

2. how did orochimaru belonging to akatsuki contribute to the story at all

He gathered information, why does this even matter? It's part of the plot. You're making up asinine reasons to rant. Again, you could "rant" on any show using this.


3. who is the main antagonist? at first it was orochimaru then it was pain and now it's tobi

It's called arcs...


4. i think the story would have been a lot better if killer bee was never introduced as a character and gaara replaced his position as naruto's fellow jinchuriki

Gaara was his fellow Jinchuuriki, and this has no impact on the story. You probably just dislike Killer Bee.


You've proven to me you are one of those people who wants to seem like an intelligent critic, so you make up things to rant about so people think you're legitimate.

I'm a fan of the show, and the real version of what you are trying to be. This wasn't going to get past me.

Also, I'm not stating that Naruto is perfect. There are things you could have ranted on without making yourself look lime a fool.
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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18 Sep 2013 03:31 AM
1. why didnt nagato just bring yahiko back to life?

That would not only deprive him of the Deva Path body, but he didn't have the power to do so back then.

2. did jiraiya, one of the legendary sannin, just HAPPEN to come across nagato who possesed rinnegan?

Prophecy and Plot.

3. did naruto, the 9 tails jinchuriki, just happen to be paired with sasuke uchiha, the survivor of the uchiha clan and the one who itachi planned to posess the eternal mangekyo sharingan? if the two had never met each other, the storyline would pretty much be the same.

That's an idiotic claim. Firstly, it's the show's plot. Don't try to rant on trivial things, you could do this for any show. Why are you trying so hard to bash Naruto?

and some other general rants
1. how on earth was sasori defeated by freaking chiyo and sakura? He arguably held back, plus Chiyo is his grandmother.

2. how did orochimaru belonging to akatsuki contribute to the story at all

He gathered information, why does this even matter? It's part of the plot. You're making up asinine reasons to rant. Again, you could "rant" on any show using this.


3. who is the main antagonist? at first it was orochimaru then it was pain and now it's tobi

It's called arcs...


4. i think the story would have been a lot better if killer bee was never introduced as a character and gaara replaced his position as naruto's fellow jinchuriki

Gaara was his fellow Jinchuuriki, and this has no impact on the story. You probably just dislike Killer Bee.


You've proven to me you are one of those people who wants to seem like an intelligent critic, so you make up things to rant about so people think you're legitimate.

I'm a fan of the show, and the real version of what you are trying to be. This wasn't going to get past me.

Also, I'm not stating that Naruto is perfect. There are things you could have ranted on without making yourself look like a fool.
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kiwikitten is not online. kiwikitten
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19 Sep 2013 06:12 PM
"You've proven to me you are one of those people who wants to seem like an intelligent critic, so you make up things to rant about so people think you're legitimate.
I'm a fan of the show, and the real version of what you are trying to be. This wasn't going to get past me.
Also, I'm not stating that Naruto is perfect. There are things you could have ranted on without making yourself look like a fool."

Don't get me wrong, I love that show. It's one of my favorite animes. I've watched the whole thing twice. But there are lots of flaws in the storyline, and I wish they had just worked it all out beforehand. They made a lot of mistakes when it comes to the plot, like introducing major characters like Killer Bee and Nagato so late into the story. Those were legitimate questions, I'm not making up any of those things.
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kiwikitten is not online. kiwikitten
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19 Sep 2013 06:18 PM
As for your responses:

"That would not only deprive him of the Deva Path body, but he didn't have the power to do so back then. "

Legit answer. I don't have a complaint with that

"Prophecy and Plot."

Nagato wasn't the child of prophecy, it was naruto. So Nagato meeting jiraiya was sheer coincidence. You can't just write things off as "it was part of the plot."

"That's an idiotic claim. Firstly, it's the show's plot. Don't try to rant on trivial things, you could do this for any show. Why are you trying so hard to bash Naruto?"

I'm not trying to bash naruto, he's one of my favorite characters...and that's not a trivial thing, it's the entire storyline.

"He arguably held back, plus Chiyo is his grandmother."

Legit answer, no complaint

"He gathered information, why does this even matter? It's part of the plot. You're making up asinine reasons to rant. Again, you could "rant" on any show using this."

I'm not letting this one slide by. You can't just say "it was part of the plot." It doesn't contribute to the story at all and it was only mentioned once, where we learn about Orochimaru trying to steal Itachi's eyes.

"It's called arcs..."

It's a poor storyline if the antagonist changes with every arc

"Gaara was his fellow Jinchuuriki, and this has no impact on the story. You probably just dislike Killer Bee."

Actually Killer Bee is one of my favorites when it comes to personality and he has cool jutsu too. But why throw away a supporting character like Gaara and introduce Killer Bee in season 4 when Gaara was already there, availible for that position, been there since season 2 of the original Naruto show?
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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19 Sep 2013 08:57 PM
"Nagato wasn't the child of prophecy, it was naruto. So Nagato meeting jiraiya was sheer coincidence. You can't just write things off as "it was part of the plot."

Doesn't matter, Jiraiya assumed Nagato was the boy in the prophecy. Chance encounters/fate are common in any form of fiction, plot. That's a stupid reason to rant.


"I'm not trying to bash naruto, he's one of my favorite characters...and that's not a trivial thing, it's the entire storyline"

You're making up issues that aren't even issues to begin with. Do you know how storylines work?

"I'm not letting this one slide by. You can't just say "it was part of the plot." It doesn't contribute to the story at all and it was only mentioned once, where we learn about Orochimaru trying to steal Itachi's eyes."

Not every second of a series is meant to contribute to the main story. Of course it's part of the plot. If everything was only black and white it would be boring. Using your logic, multiple characters' backstories should be nerfed because they don't help the Naruto vs Sasuke aspect of the plot.

"It's a poor storyline if the antagonist changes with every arc"

How so? Would you rather have repetitive villains? The problem isn't the story, it's the asinine standard you're setting for plots. You might as well call out nearly every action anime that durates longer than 12-24 episodes instead of targeting Naruto.

"Actually Killer Bee is one of my favorites when it comes to personality and he has cool jutsu too. But why throw away a supporting character like Gaara and introduce Killer Bee in season 4 when Gaara was already there, availible for that position, been there since season 2 of the original Naruto show?"

Because Gaara lost his bijuu and is weak in comparison to many shinobi. Gaara is sidelined just like K11 was. Complain to Kishimoto about how he didn't make Gaara's CIS get him killed.
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kiwikitten is not online. kiwikitten
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19 Sep 2013 10:11 PM
"Doesn't matter, Jiraiya assumed Nagato was the boy in the prophecy. Chance encounters/fate are common in any form of fiction, plot. That's a stupid reason to rant."

It's not a stupid reason to rant. It doesn't matter if Jiraiya thought nagato was the child of prophecy or not, the fact remains Nagato wasn't and so Jiraiya just happened to come across the Rinnegan.

"You're making up issues that aren't even issues to begin with. Do you know how storylines work?"

You are taking this way too seriously. All of these things I said minus the "rants" were actual problems with the storyline that don't make sense.

"Not every second of a series is meant to contribute to the main story. Of course it's part of the plot. If everything was only black and white it would be boring. Using your logic, multiple characters' backstories should be nerfed because they don't help the Naruto vs Sasuke aspect of the plot."

Itachi and Orochimaru already had backstories. But fine, we can leave it at that.

"How so? Would you rather have repetitive villains? The problem isn't the story, it's the asinine standard you're setting for plots. You might as well call out nearly every action anime that durates longer than 12-24 episodes instead of targeting Naruto."

I've only finished a few other animes, like FMA, and that made sense to me. It's alright if there's different antagonists, it's not alright if you wait until way late in the storyline to introduce them. For example, Akatsuki was barely mentioned at all in the first show.

"Because Gaara lost his bijuu and is weak in comparison to many shinobi. Gaara is sidelined just like K11 was. Complain to Kishimoto about how he didn't make Gaara's CIS get him killed."

That's the thing, I don't think Gaara should have lost Shukaku in the first place, but that's just my opinion and who cares about that? And Gaara's not weak, he's probably as strong as Killer B. Also, don't speak Japanese so I can't write to the creator.
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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20 Sep 2013 03:36 AM
"It's not a stupid reason to rant. It doesn't matter if Jiraiya thought nagato was the child of prophecy or not, the fact remains Nagato wasn't and so Jiraiya just happened to come across the Rinnegan."

Again, that's because it's part of the plot. This isn't an issue, you just made an issue of a fictional chance encounter. Jiraiya didn't even know Nagato had the Rinnegan, nor did he ever try to take advantage of this to benefit himself. He just trained 3 orphans he crossed on the battlefield. He has met many more, as Orochimaru said. They were in the middle of a war. You might as well question why Naruto and Nagato met as well, or why Sasuke met Orochimaru. You're questioning a plot that was made to be this way.

"You are taking this way too seriously. All of these things I said minus the "rants" were actual problems with the storyline that don't make sense.

No they weren't, they were issues you created in your head to question. Anyone with common sense would know that most of your questions are part of a plot, which is intentionally made the way it is. You didn't even point out any plotholes, just started questioning a plot. Meaning you probably just personally dislike how certain things are carried out, so stop acting as if the series is at fault.

"Itachi and Orochimaru already had backstories. But fine, we can leave it at that."

And along the course of the series, we learn more and more about their past.

Just like any character...in any anime, nay, any work of fiction.

"I've only finished a few other animes, like FMA, and that made sense to me. It's alright if there's different antagonists, it's not alright if you wait until way late in the storyline to introduce them. For example, Akatsuki was barely mentioned at all in the first show.

They were introduced and mentioned in Part I...multiple times.

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/140/5

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/140/10

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/143/4

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/143/5

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/143/6

http://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/143/9

You should backtrack, because you have obviously forgotten things. Even if Kishimoto were to not introduce Akatsuki until Shippuden, it wouldn't be an issue with the plot as much as your personal taste.

"That's the thing, I don't think Gaara should have lost Shukaku in the first place, but that's just my opinion and who cares about that? And Gaara's not weak, he's probably as strong as Killer B. Also, don't speak Japanese so I can't write to the creator."

He isn't even close. Gaara is weak in comparison, and Killer Bee is a more experienced Jinchuuriki. You thinking Gaara shouldn't have lost Shukaku, again, is your taste, not an issue on the series' behalf.
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kiwikitten is not online. kiwikitten
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20 Sep 2013 05:31 PM
Again, that's because it's part of the plot. This isn't an issue, you just made an issue of a fictional chance encounter. Jiraiya didn't even know Nagato had the Rinnegan, nor did he ever try to take advantage of this to benefit himself. He just trained 3 orphans he crossed on the battlefield. He has met many more, as Orochimaru said. They were in the middle of a war. You might as well question why Naruto and Nagato met as well, or why Sasuke met Orochimaru. You're questioning a plot that was made to be this way.

Nagato met Naruto because Naruto was seeking out the nine tails. Orochimaru met Sasuke becase he was seeking out a new vessel with a sharingan. Jiraiya and Nagato was a chance encounter.

"No they weren't, they were issues you created in your head to question. Anyone with common sense would know that most of your questions are part of a plot, which is intentionally made the way it is. You didn't even point out any plotholes, just started questioning a plot. Meaning you probably just personally dislike how certain things are carried out, so stop acting as if the series is at fault."

Let me rephrase that; i did not point out any actual holes in the plot, but there were a lot of unlikely coincidences that ocurred and that makes for a poor storyline.

"I've only finished a few other animes, like FMA, and that made sense to me. It's alright if there's different antagonists, it's not alright if you wait until way late in the storyline to introduce them. For example, Akatsuki was barely mentioned at all in the first show.

"They were introduced and mentioned in Part I...multiple times."

For the record, I hope you know I'm talking about the anime and not the manga. And in the Anime Part I, they only made an appearance in a total of 5 episodes. Also, those are offsite links.

"You should backtrack, because you have obviously forgotten things. Even if Kishimoto were to not introduce Akatsuki until Shippuden, it wouldn't be an issue with the plot as much as your personal taste."

You could argue that. But as I said, this wasn't one of the flaws in the storyline, this was one of those "general rants".

"He isn't even close. Gaara is weak in comparison"

That's your opinion. The two have never met in battle so we can't be certain.

"and Killer Bee is a more experienced Jinchuuriki. You thinking Gaara shouldn't have lost Shukaku, again, is your taste, not an issue on the series' behalf."

That is my opinion. I didn't say it was an issue, that's why I classified it as under one of my "general rants."
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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20 Sep 2013 07:03 PM
"Nagato met Naruto because Naruto was seeking out the nine tails. Orochimaru met Sasuke becase he was seeking out a new vessel with a sharingan. Jiraiya and Nagato was a chance encounter."

So was Jiraiya and Naruto's meeting. So was Orochimaru running into Sasuke in FoD. Your point? Double standards?

Let me rephrase that; i did not point out any actual holes in the plot, but there were a lot of unlikely coincidences that occurred and that makes for a poor storyline.

How do they make for a poor storyline? Do you even know what you're prattling about? They're portions of a plot, that's the way it is supposed to be. **Every** action anime, and even anime outside of the action/shonen genre do this, as well as nearly, nay, every verse in fiction. Double standards?

"For the record, I hope you know I'm talking about the anime and not the manga. And in the Anime Part I, they only made an appearance in a total of 5 episodes. Also, those are offsite links."

Irrelevant, they were shown, meaning you were incorrect. The manga is canon material, by the way, Meaning it came first and is the end all be all of the series. The anime is an adaptation with filler. That's all. It doesn't change Naruto's plot (The plot you are "ranting" on.)

So what if they are offsite links?

"You could argue that. But as I said, this wasn't one of the flaws in the storyline, this was one of those "general rants"."

It's not a rant if you just blatantly accuse Naruto of having a poor storyline, which you could debate on if you had used some legitimate reasons instead of pulling things out of your ass.

"That's your opinion. The two have never met in battle so we can't be certain."

No it isn't, Killer Bee surpasses Gaara in every meaning of the word. Everyone knows this. Killer Bee is a calculated island buster with 8 Tails, and Gaara can barely village bust and barely tank a village (town) level bomb from a low level Akatsuki. Killer Bee also has Samehada and more experience. Of course he's a better Jinchuuriki and shinobi than Gaara. This isn't even debatable. Gaara's best feat was fighting MS Sasuke, who Killer Bee babyshakes in a 4 on 1.

"That is my opinion. I didn't say it was an issue, that's why I classified it as under one of my "general rants.""

An opinion based on the fact that...Gaara was introduced earlier...?
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Sonic5479 is not online. Sonic5479
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20 Sep 2013 07:09 PM
I have a question....
if they're ninjas, why the hell aren't they stealthy.
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kiwikitten is not online. kiwikitten
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20 Sep 2013 08:45 PM
"So was Jiraiya and Naruto's meeting. So was Orochimaru running into Sasuke in FoD. Your point? Double standards?"

Jiraiya and Naruto's meeting was a coincidence in itself, but chances are they would have met later anyway, as they are both shinobi of the Hidden Leaf and the Naruto was the son of the sannin's former mentor, not to mention the Jinchuuriki of the Kyubi.

"How do they make for a poor storyline? Do you even know what you're prattling about? They're portions of a plot, that's the way it is supposed to be. **Every** action anime, and even anime outside of the action/shonen genre do this, as well as nearly, nay, every verse in fiction. Double standards?"

No, most storylines are better than that.

"Irrelevant, they were shown, meaning you were incorrect. The manga is canon material, by the way, Meaning it came first and is the end all be all of the series. The anime is an adaptation with filler. That's all. It doesn't change Naruto's plot (The plot you are "ranting" on.)"

No, I'm still right. The fact remains that Akatsuki were barely mentioned at all in Part I, five episodes in total (i don't know how many manga pages that translates to).

"So what if they are offsite links?"

That is against the rules.

"It's not a rant if you just blatantly accuse Naruto of having a poor storyline, which you could debate on if you had used some legitimate reasons instead of pulling things out of your ass."

Hey buddy, that IS a rant. Naruto does have a poor storyline, and it's too bad for you if you don't like my opinion. You didn't have to post on this thread.

"No it isn't, Killer Bee surpasses Gaara in every meaning of the word. Everyone knows this. Killer Bee is a calculated island buster with 8 Tails, and Gaara can barely village bust and barely tank a village (town) level bomb from a low level Akatsuki. Killer Bee also has Samehada and more experience. Of course he's a better Jinchuuriki and shinobi than Gaara. This isn't even debatable. Gaara's best feat was fighting MS Sasuke, who Killer Bee babyshakes in a 4 on 1."

Gaara lost to Deidara because he was fighting on home court, and being the Kazekage, he was obligated to put the village before his own life. Obviously Killer B is a better Jinchuuriki since he has control over his bijuu but that doesn't make him a stronger fighter. Let's not forget that Bee would have been captured by Kisame had the Raikage and his buddies joined him, so Gaara isn't the only one who lost to a "lower-level Akatsuki". And Gaara also took on his reanimated father by himself, and with some asistence from Onoki he defeated the reanimated 2nd mizukage and 2nd Tsuchikage.

"An opinion based on the fact that...Gaara was introduced earlier...?"

Actually, yeah.
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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20 Sep 2013 09:36 PM
"Jiraiya and Naruto's meeting was a coincidence in itself, but chances are they would have met later anyway, as they are both shinobi of the Hidden Leaf and the Naruto was the son of the sannin's former mentor, not to mention the Jinchuuriki of the Kyubi."

That doesn't justify your logic whatsoever.

"No, most storylines are better than that."

Yet they do the exact same thing Naruto is doing according to you. Double standards?

"No, I'm still right. The fact remains that Akatsuki were barely mentioned at all in Part I, five episodes in total (i don't know how many manga pages that translates to)."

You claimed that Akatsuki wasn't mentioned in Part I, they were. They were mentioned multiple times. They weren't even supposed to have as much a part in Part I as the development of Team 7.

"That is against the rules."

And...?

"Hey buddy, that IS a rant. Naruto does have a poor storyline, and it's too bad for you if you don't like my opinion. You didn't have to post on this thread."

That's not a rant, that's just you whining about issues you created mentally formed from double standards.

"Gaara lost to Deidara because he was fighting on home court, and being the Kazekage, he was obligated to put the village before his own life. Obviously Killer B is a better Jinchuuriki since he has control over his bijuu but that doesn't make him a stronger fighter. Let's not forget that Bee would have been captured by Kisame had the Raikage and his buddies joined him, so Gaara isn't the only one who lost to a "lower-level Akatsuki". And Gaara also took on his reanimated father by himself, and with some asistence from Onoki he defeated the reanimated 2nd mizukage and 2nd Tsuchikage."

Doesn't change the fact that Gaara could barely tank a village buster, and Killer Bee is a better fighter. Kisame isn't a low level Akatsuki.

The key word is "with assistance" there. Killer Bee faces Taka and stomped them, Gaara struggled with MS Sasuke.

"Actually, yeah."

Exactly.
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masterdylan1997 is not online. masterdylan1997
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20 Sep 2013 09:54 PM
Killer Bee solos Gaara.

Kisame is one of the stronger members if not the strongest (not counting Obito(Tobi(Masked Man))).

The Akatsuki were meantioned and hinted at several times in part one. Also part 1 was not about the Akatsuki it was more about team 7 so its kinda obvious they wouldn't focus on them as much.

Your "rants" are stupid.
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21 Sep 2013 10:04 AM
"That doesn't justify your logic whatsoever."

sorry if that was too complex for you to understand

"Yet they do the exact same thing Naruto is doing according to you. Double standards?"

nope

"You claimed that Akatsuki wasn't mentioned in Part I, they were. They were mentioned multiple times. They weren't even supposed to have as much a part in Part I as the development of Team 7."

never claimed that. i said akatsuki was barely mentioned in part I, didnt say they werent mentioned at all. lrn2read, asshat

"And...?"

and you're reported :)

"That's not a rant, that's just you whining about issues you created mentally formed from double standards."

ah, but isnt that what a rant is?

"Doesn't change the fact that Gaara could barely tank a village buster, and Killer Bee is a better fighter. Kisame isn't a low level Akatsuki.
The key word is with assistance" there. Killer Bee faces Taka and stomped them, Gaara struggled with MS Sasuke"

killer B wasn't trying to defend a whole village in addition to himself. and even with assistence from tsuchikage, defeating a reanimated kazekage, tsuchikage, and mizukage and sealing them is more difficult then taking on taka (taka sucks except for sasuke).

as for kisame, he isn't any stronger than deidara. he was defeated by might guy. let me emphasize that: MIGHT GUY.
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21 Sep 2013 10:38 AM
Too many confusing names.
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21 Sep 2013 11:11 AM
Guy solos...... So does Kisame there both strong plus you gotta think it wasnt just guy that stopped Kisame and if you really think about it he killed himself.

2ndly why you being a dikc about this there not need to them sonic off.
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21 Sep 2013 11:12 AM
Theres no need to tell sonic off*

T.T Grammar fail.
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21 Sep 2013 03:24 PM
"sorry if that was too complex for you to understand"

It wasn't, the only complex thing is that I can not seem to understand why fools have access to computers so that they can make posts such as yours.

"nope"

How not? You're targeting Naruto for something that basically every shonen anime does.

"never claimed that. i said akatsuki was barely mentioned in part I"

I showed you multiple times that they were mentioned, and Itachi was an antagonist in Part I as well as Kisame. Are you really this foolish?

"and you're reported :)"

Ok, and?

"ah, but isnt that what a rant is?"

No, what you are doing is creating random reasons to insult Naruto . You probably have no idea how storylines work, but then again you apparently haven't seen many anime at all(Even though every fiction does most of the things you are whining about). When you rant, you're supposed to have legitimate reasons.
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Sonicjr723 is not online. Sonicjr723
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21 Sep 2013 03:33 PM
"he was defeated by might guy. let me emphasize that: MIGHT GUY."

I'd quote the rest, but this is all it took.

And Might Guy is on par with Kakashi, who literally defeated the leader of Akatsuki, babyshakes Zabuza multiple times, and has MS (Kamui, specifically). You're underestimating Guy far too much. Kisame is arguably one of the strongest Akatsuki. He's held off a team of 4 with around 30% chakra and had Samehada. He's one of the most powerful Water style users in NV. Do you even know what you're talking about? Killer B can tank a bomb like that, his durability is off the charts compared to Gaara. Gaara could barely tank a town level bomb. Killer Bee can literally tank his strongest TBB while exhausted. He has also fought 7 Jinchuuriki with Naruto only.

What is your point? Gaara with the help of a kage defeating a Kazekage who doesn't even have intent to kill isn't much of a feat at all, Gaara's dad is a weakling compared to the other kage. Of course he'd beat Muu easier, Onoki had intel on all of Muu's techniques. Needing help to defeat the 2nd Mizukage takes away from his feat. You say that about Taka, but as a team they put up a good fight. They didn't even kill Killer Bee or successfully capture him, and Killer Bee sweeped them all multiple times. On his own.

Do you realize the depth of this feat? MS Sasuke, an enraged CM user, a healer who saved Sasuke multiple times, and a Water style swordsman who collects 7S blades.

Killer Bee didn't defeat Sasuke just once, he did it 2-4 times, and continued to solo, and at the end they were still unable to kill or successfully capture him. He even held back because he wanted a vacation.
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i am way too hi to respond to u right now but i will get bacfk to you later i promise :)
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That's good for you, I suppose?...
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I'd quote the rest, but this is all it took.

And Might Guy is on par with Kakashi, who literally defeated the leader of Akatsuki, babyshakes Zabuza multiple times, and has MS (Kamui, specifically). You're underestimating Guy far too much. Kisame is arguably one of the strongest Akatsuki. He's held off a team of 4 with around 30% chakra and had Samehada. He's one of the most powerful Water style users in NV. Do you even know what you're talking about? Killer B can tank a bomb like that, his durability is off the charts compared to Gaara. Gaara could barely tank a town level bomb. Killer Bee can literally tank his strongest TBB while exhausted. He has also fought 7 Jinchuuriki with Naruto only.

What is your point? Gaara with the help of a kage defeating a Kazekage who doesn't even have intent to kill isn't much of a feat at all, Gaara's dad is a weakling compared to the other kage. Of course he'd beat Muu easier, Onoki had intel on all of Muu's techniques. Needing help to defeat the 2nd Mizukage takes away from his feat. You say that about Taka, but as a team they put up a good fight. They didn't even kill Killer Bee or successfully capture him, and Killer Bee sweeped them all multiple times. On his own.

Do you realize the depth of this feat? MS Sasuke, an enraged CM user, a healer who saved Sasuke multiple times, and a Water style swordsman who collects 7S blades.

Killer Bee didn't defeat Sasuke just once, he did it 2-4 times, and continued to solo, and at the end they were still unable to kill or successfully capture him. He even held back because he wanted a vacation.

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first off killer bee was only trying to defend himself from Taka, not an entire village
and sasuke had only recently learned MS techniques so he was not used to using them just yet (he didn't even use susano'o)
as for Kisame he is not one of the top akatsukis. Itachi, Pain, and Tobi are stronger than him. Deidara, Kakuzu, Konan, and Sasori are also arguably stronger than him (not saying they are, just saying most are on par with him or stronger.)
As for Gai - just no. i don't even think he can do any ninjutsu besides summoning a turtle. Guy is not on par with Kakashi, and kakashi didnt defeat the leader of the akatsuki (unless you read the manga and you know about this ahead of me)
and you act like taking down 3 reincarnated kage in one day is no big deal. it's certainly a bigger deal than taking on taka
As for taka, they suck minus sasuke. Karin is good for support and stuff, but when it comes to actual battle she can't do anything. Jugo is weak (he gave killer bee a good punch to the head and it did barely anything). Suigetsu has a good defense (the self liquidation thing) but sucks with offense except for taijutsu with his sword
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22 Sep 2013 04:28 PM
"first off killer bee was only trying to defend himself from Taka, not an entire village
and sasuke had only recently learned MS techniques so he was not used to using them just yet (he didn't even use susano'o)
as for Kisame he is not one of the top akatsukis. Itachi, Pain, and Tobi are stronger than him. Deidara, Kakuzu, Konan, and Sasori are also arguably stronger than him (not saying they are, just saying most are on par with him or stronger.)
As for Gai - just no. i don't even think he can do any ninjutsu besides summoning a turtle. Guy is not on par with Kakashi, and kakashi didnt defeat the leader of the akatsuki (unless you read the manga and you know about this ahead of me)
and you act like taking down 3 reincarnated kage in one day is no big deal. it's certainly a bigger deal than taking on taka
As for taka, they suck minus sasuke. Karin is good for support and stuff, but when it comes to actual battle she can't do anything. Jugo is weak (he gave killer bee a good punch to the head and it did barely anything). Suigetsu has a good defense (the self liquidation thing) but sucks with offense except for taijutsu with his sword"

Irrelevant, Gaara only had to defend a village from one attack. Deidara's original target was only Gaara. Killer Bee had a 4 on 1 regardless, and he can tank more than Gaara can.

Sasuke had MS regardless, and had 3 teammates with him. Even if he had been used to it, Killer Bee was holding back.

Kisame is one of the strongest, and Deidara is far under him. The only one close on the list you mentioned secondly is Sasori. Also, being on par would still make him one of the strongest;

Why does it matter if he can or can't use ninjutsu? Guy was stated to be on par with Kakashi, he also had more victories over Kakashi. Guy is way stronger than you are giving him credit for. And yes, I read the manga.

Taking down 3 reincarnated kage, one being a fodder kage without killing intent and one being Onoki's master (intel..) with help vs taking down 3 former Oro experiments, one having CM and one having the ability to heal is a big deal and fighting 7 Jinchuuriki + Tobi with one person...Let's weigh these.

Juugo's punch was worthless because Killer Bee's durability is too high, and MS Sasuke + all of those members makes Taka a strong group, one that was able to nigh successfully raid the Kage summit.
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22 Sep 2013 04:29 PM
Also, the fact that Killer Bee was sweeping Taka while holding back only adds to the feat, Gaara can never hold back.
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