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DaBubs
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:19 PM |
he's entitled to his own opinion
hero, you're not a vet so, so you don't understand our viewpoint on this because this is very, very, very different way of doing things in TGI
and it may be for the worse |
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:21 PM |
no
stupid kid, it's randomtier2+forofficerintraining
SALAM. |
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Obtention
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:24 PM |
Warp, just wait.
I'm sure in due time, TGI will have some sort of revolution.
Like:
- A new dynasty
- Some sort of successful rebellion (probably will never happen)
- A major reformation that actually helps the clan
But I doubt all of that will happen anytime soon. |
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ToberDam
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:26 PM |
@Obtention: You know, I hold low ranking member only rallies time to time. They seem happy with the direction we're going. Quality is improving slowly but surely. The TAGs were excluded from applications and I told them this at the last rally. But since you guys have no idea what's going on anymore, you're going to keep taking stabs in the dark.
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maro846
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:27 PM |
| Brickster doesn't even play roblox anymore... |
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DaBubs
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:28 PM |
| brickster was awesome but he's gone man, off to greener pastures |
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Obtention
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| 21 Sep 2013 04:35 PM |
You can't really tell if your members are happy with what you're doing or not; only a small percentage of those in a clan will be truthful on what's going on. (This doesn't happen with just TGI, but all clans. It's not until a member leaves the clan to tell what's really going on, because they're afraid to show their opinion)
As for TGI's quality 'improving slowly but surely,' this is a mere opinion. A majority of those who have left TGI because of the Vaktovian war, have said otherwise.
Now, for the statement: 'The TAGs were excluded from applications and I told them this at the last rally.'
It still doesn't make much of a difference. Let's say that I have 10 total ranks in a group. I allow the first rank in a group to be allowed to apply for a high rank. What's the point of the ranks below the first officer rank at all? No one is really earning anything when they're promoted, as they see their cohorts automatically skip the ranks in front of them to an officer rank. |
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ToberDam
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| 21 Sep 2013 05:00 PM |
@Obtention: Let me ask you something.
Is there a difference between the lowest rank of a clan, and the highest level of low rank?
If no, then what's the point of getting promotions. Officers are working differently in TGI, and everyone so far is fine with the way things are moving. I have gotten more truthful statements out of low ranks, and plenty of suggestions, including plenty of them asking for TAGs to be excluded from the officer reform (Which I followed through with). The more and more I ask them to speak their minds, the more and more they actually choose to do so.
I'm breaking that stupid fear of people thinking I'm going to hurt them if they talk against me. This is a game, and I live in a country where freedom of speech is fought for daily. I was brought up in a family where opinion is valued. I'm not going to lash out at them.
All of my rallies were full servers. All of my rallies were truly fruitful. I don't know about you, but I think my members are being honest.
Things ARE improving. I don't care if you see that as opinion or not. |
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| 21 Sep 2013 05:10 PM |
"If no, then what's the point of getting promotions."
You've proved my point - if you're just going to allow people to skip the other ranks, then just get rid of them, there's no point having them.
I'm breaking that stupid fear of people thinking I'm going to hurt them if they talk against me. This is a game, and I live in a country where freedom of speech is fought for daily. I was brought up in a family where opinion is valued. I'm not going to lash out at them.
It's impossible to break it, I know you like people to speak their minds, but it's simply natural for people to be afraid of the leader. It's simple psychology - People aren't accustomed to be "open" with a superior being. If you were interrogate a soldier on something, what would they feel: fear, or pride?
"Things ARE improving. I don't care if you see that as opinion or not."
Well if things truly *ARE* improving, why have people been leaving? Why have people been saying there are flaws with the clan? |
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| 21 Sep 2013 05:17 PM |
Obtention is winning this one.
I'm staying awake, this one is worth it. |
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Crystal55
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STUR111
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ToberDam
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| 21 Sep 2013 05:19 PM |
"It's impossible to break it, I know you like people to speak their minds, but it's simply natural for people to be afraid of the leader. It's simple psychology - People aren't accustomed to be "open" with a superior being. If you were interrogate a soldier on something, what would they feel: fear, or pride? "
This is absolutely BS. I have been in constant groups in the manner of real life, and have not seen this issue. I was part of a music group. When it comes to composing, then EVERYONE puts in their opinion
What about work? I can go up to my boss any time I wish aside from in front of the customers at my job, and tell him that I disagree with something, and he'll talk to me about why he does it instead of firing me outright. It's why I like my job so much. There's OPINION and FREEDOM OF IT.
It is not human nature to fear a leader. It is human nature to fear someone that is dangerous or unstable. I see no danger in myself. And I saw no danger in leaders I have worked with.
It would be common sense if someone feared a guy in power that abused it. It would be common sense to fear someone who carries a big gun and calls the shots. It's not human nature. |
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| 21 Sep 2013 05:21 PM |
| Tober your officers are complete crap and people in tgi just want to get you demoted so they don't consider u a threat I mean ur officers are horrible u even know this. VAK is winning the war so you are defiently improving since they came back from like being 23-10 down. |
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