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Re: The WNTS has gone too far

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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 05:10 PM
Okay so there are a lot of people with good ideas. But with the WNTS around, some people are afraid to suggest them. Mostly the NBC's.
Nowadays BC/NBC is a sore subject. We are treated like slaves, not allowed to speak our opinions or get the rights we deserve. And when we do speak our minds and try to get what we deserve, the BC are always there to cry "WNTS! WNTS! WNTS!". And here's the worst part. Barely any of us NBC support each other. Sometimes it's because they are expired BC's, but I think a lot of them are scared by the WNTS.
Today one of those NBC's who aren't supportive pointed out to me something I missed in the WNTS. I thought the WNTS was to limit freedom of speech, but then they said the WNTS never said it was.
That was what I needed to hear.
Now I'm here to point out to the BC's and the scared NBC's.
To start off, BC's and non-supportive NBC's, we do not need you to come off like [Content Deleted]s, calling out every WNTS post. You are saying it to try to get us to stop sharing our ideas, or to change our minds. Now that this post is here, your power is gone. Quit whining about how it is WNTS, just because it is doesn't make it any different than a great idea with 50 supports.
To the NBC's and the friendlier BC's, do not be scared to share your Ideas. Your ideas are wonderful and would help ROBLOX a become a better place. Do not back down every time someone comes up to you and starts a flame war or cry "WNTS, NOOB, WNTS!!!". They are just either trolls, total idiots, or babies. If it goes to the point you don't think you can fight this fight alone, don't worry. I will be there to support you, and hopefully you meet some good friends along the way.
Finally, I wish people would forget about that post! That post does not mean whoever mentions anything in it will get banned or terminated! It is simply what ROBLOX doesn't want to hear! If you don't like an idea, simply say, "No Support". Not, "NO SUPPORT YOU NOOB!" or "THAT IS THE DUMBEST IDEA EVER YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!!".
This is not a hate speech, people. I just simply wish to bring peace into the ROBLOX Forums. If people follow my advice I am sure everyone would get along nicely. Thank you for your attention and cooperation
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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10 Aug 2013 05:12 PM
This is totally not true. Why can't they just ignore them? And people say wnts because it breaks the rules
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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 05:13 PM
@padam
Ignore who? And if the post is WNTS it is not breaking the rules.
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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10 Aug 2013 05:14 PM
You think petitions to undo updates are good ideas? First, those people who post real wnts should stop whining.
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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10 Aug 2013 05:16 PM
Ignore the people who wrongly say wnts if its not. Wnts is what not to suggest and wnts threads are breaking the rule
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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 05:16 PM
@padam
Well no, but that would be simply a "No support".
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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10 Aug 2013 06:14 PM
Did you know that the WNTS is actually a suggested feature?
From me?
I guess that should make me the best candidate for this thread.

"Okay so there are a lot of people with good ideas. But with the WNTS around, some people are afraid to suggest them. Mostly the NBC's."
A) Stereotype: NBCers are afraid to make suggestions? I think not.
B) As I generally say around these topics: "If you cannot think of an idea that doesn't violate the WNTS, you're an idiot." There's little need to be afraid of the WNTS if your idea isn't violating the WNTS, and most ideas don't.

"Nowadays BC/NBC is a sore subject. We are treated like slaves, not allowed to speak our opinions or get the rights we deserve."
A) It's only a sore subject for people who want it to be sore. I fail to see why people assume that paying money corrupts you... :/
B) How are you treated like slaves? You don't have to do labour for superiors at all, so :/
C) NO ONE on roblox has rights. NO ONE. NBCers have no rights, BCers have no rights, admins have no rights. What we actually have is a set of PRIVELAGES.
And because BCers pay, they get more privelages.
Because you didn't pay, you don't get as much.
We paid to get more privelages. (Sp? Am I spelling privelages correctly? :/) Simple as.
Besides, what do rights have to do with the WNTS at all?

Oh come on, I was on this thread and I'd thought it'd be interesting... Stop being generic. ¬_¬

"And when we do speak our minds and try to get what we deserve, the BC are always there to cry "WNTS! WNTS! WNTS!". And here's the worst part. Barely any of us NBC support each other. Sometimes it's because they are expired BC's, but I think a lot of them are scared by the WNTS."
A) I've seen a lot of NBCers *AND* BCers scream WNTS.
B) The scream of WNTS is your punishment for breaking the WNTS.

"Today one of those NBC's who aren't supportive pointed out to me something I missed in the WNTS. I thought the WNTS was to limit freedom of speech, but then they said the WNTS never said it was.
That was what I needed to hear."
Well, actually.
The WNTS is here to "purify" S&I.
This means get rid of oversuggested and bad ideas, thus allowing original, good threads to flourish.

"Now I'm here to point out to the BC's and the scared NBC's.
To start off, BC's and non-supportive NBC's, we do not need you to come off like [Content Deleted]s, calling out every WNTS post. You are saying it to try to get us to stop sharing our ideas, or to change our minds. Now that this post is here, your power is gone. Quit whining about how it is WNTS, just because it is doesn't make it any different than a great idea with 50 supports."
*Sigh*
So generic. So generic...
First of all, we don't need to, yes.
But it's a GOOD IDEA to call out the WNTS.
The WNTS is just about completely final. So actually, if it is on the WNTS, it's very unlikely it's going to be made, regardless of how supported it is.
No idea has ever been truly good and contradictory to the WNTS at the same time.
I've been here for four years, trust me. I know.

"To the NBC's and the friendlier BC's, do not be scared to share your Ideas. Your ideas are wonderful and would help ROBLOX a become a better place. Do not back down every time someone comes up to you and starts a flame war or cry "WNTS, NOOB, WNTS!!!". They are just either trolls, total idiots, or babies."
No, they're doing the right thing.
If it's on the WNTS, the punishment is that your post is invalidated and not taken seriously.
And again, if you can't think of an idea that doesn't violate the WNTS, you're an idiot.
Hands down.
It's not there to limit you, it's there to direct you.
Stop acting like a Victorian.

"Finally, I wish people would forget about that post! That post does not mean whoever mentions anything in it will get banned or terminated!"
Thanks to me.
I could have oh so VERY easily made it so, because I suggested it.
And how I regret that I didn't.

"It is simply what ROBLOX doesn't want to hear! If you don't like an idea, simply say, "No Support". Not, "NO SUPPORT YOU NOOB!" or "THAT IS THE DUMBEST IDEA EVER YOUR AN IDIOT!!!!!"."
That's both incorrect on both counts.
If you don't like an idea, you state WHY you don't like it.

This is not a hate speech, people. I just simply wish to bring peace into the ROBLOX Forums. If people follow my advice I am sure everyone would get along nicely. Thank you for your attention and cooperation"
So let me get this straight:
You want to bring peace into S&I,
By completely ignoring a ruleset?
Smart.
You want to bring peace into S&I,
By allowing the denial of the ONE THING THAT KEEPS IT PEACEFUL?
That's going to go down well.

So nearly all of that was just a bunch of assumptions, misunderstandings and stereotypes.
I am disappointed.

If you're going to make a protest against something, make sure you have a solid argument first.
Something you really, REALLY did not have.
The WNTS is final, and that's all it ever will be.

*Sigh*
:/
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GoblarkGobral is not online. GoblarkGobral
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10 Aug 2013 06:19 PM
The fact that you BC are replying negatively is proving his point.
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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10 Aug 2013 06:20 PM
Frozen is right
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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10 Aug 2013 06:21 PM
Stop generalizing
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Swordism is not online. Swordism
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10 Aug 2013 06:22 PM
k
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padam11 is not online. padam11
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10 Aug 2013 06:22 PM
I'm talking to u, goblark
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Jolly3DSlover is not online. Jolly3DSlover
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10 Aug 2013 06:22 PM
Zersdan = Stupid Kid

Frozengaia = Epic Man
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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10 Aug 2013 06:26 PM
"The fact that you BC are replying negatively is proving his point."
Really?

Not really.

His point is that a MAJORITY of BCers reply negatively for a CERTAIN reason.
I am *A* BCers, replying negatively for a DIFFERENT reason.

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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 06:26 PM
Notice how the people who argue with my thread are BC now.
@frozen
With WNTS around, people are starting flame wars with that acronym.
If the post isn't taken seriously, what kind of punishment is THAT supposed to be? You don't LOSE anything.
This is why I didn't want to post this to people like YOU on the suggestions & ideas forum because I'm trying to make peace with the Devil it seems on this forum.
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dallasthemaster1 is not online. dallasthemaster1
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10 Aug 2013 06:27 PM
User meshes should not be WNTS. Many users used user meshes, so they want them back. They should not be like "DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRR THATS TOO HARD WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT, AND WE'RE GONNA ADD IT TO WNTS SO PEOPLE ARE SAD FOREVER!! >:D" If they are "aware of the intrest", they should ADD IT BACK!!
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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 06:29 PM
If you cannot be nice and accept my point, please leave Jolly.
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momoonetwo is not online. momoonetwo
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10 Aug 2013 06:36 PM
this is getting deep.
next thread!
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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 06:37 PM
Bump.
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IronForumer is not online. IronForumer
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10 Aug 2013 06:38 PM
@Zersdan
WNTS is the guidelines of S&I.
I'm sure if there were harsh punishments for violating the WNTS, people would follow it.
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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10 Aug 2013 06:40 PM
@Dallas:
It's because of abuse reasons that it's on the WNTS.

@Zer:

"With WNTS around, people are starting flame wars with that acronym."
I've not seen any flame war because of the WNTS since I made the WNTS, and I've been here nearly every day after that so :/

"If the post isn't taken seriously, what kind of punishment is THAT supposed to be? You don't LOSE anything."
If it's not taken seriously, it's not going to be made.
If it's not taken seriously, no one of importance will care about the thread, and thus you wasted your time.
You lost time.
Fun punishment, no?

"This is why I didn't want to post this to people like YOU on the suggestions & ideas forum because I'm trying to make peace with the Devil it seems on this forum."
People like me?
You mean, the majority of returning users on S&I?
The people who have been here for so long, and are sick of the same, boring, drab, unoriginal, pathetic idea?
Those petitions are full of people that are new to S&I, unaccustomed.
The people that WANTED a WNTS for so long, and actually got one?
*Sigh*

And you haven't even touched half of my arguments.
Should try that first before asking me to leave.
"If you cannot be nice and accept my point, please leave Jolly."
That's not how S&I works.
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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 06:41 PM
@Iron
But there aren't harsh punishments, and they're shouldn't be.
Not to mention the new people who haven't read it yet or it was their first started thread. It happened to me.
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Zersdan is not online. Zersdan
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10 Aug 2013 06:42 PM
@frozen
You know in real life, people suggest many things.
But only some actually happen.
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IronForumer is not online. IronForumer
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10 Aug 2013 06:44 PM
Did you not hear me?
**IF** there were harsh punishments.

And, for any forums I go onto, they tell you specifically to read the rules. A newbie should be reading the rules so they don't break them. It's smarter than going around, not knowing the rules. It's like running around with a gun, trying to shoot a target you can't see.
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frozengaia is not online. frozengaia
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10 Aug 2013 06:44 PM
Yes, true.
And only some actually happen.

Those that are GOOD, FUNCTIONAL IDEAS.
Something the WNTS helps nuture, by getting rid of the not good, dysfunctional ideas.
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