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Re: Vortex Security Road to Functionality

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jimbojones is not online. jimbojones
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24 Aug 2013 10:25 AM
Disclaimer
If you're offended by anything I say, don't get all angry. This is my opinion, allow me to it without any sort of attack on your part.

It has been so painfully obvious over the past year and then some that VS is a pile of poo.
Ever since Justin gave VS to Chibitobi and it became a game of hot potato nothing has ever been functional within VS.

Where shall we start?
The ranks, they are so utterly dull, generic and common. Recruit, Private, Corporal ...
Sorry, I nearly went to sleep. There needs to be a ranking system in which people can say, this is obviously a VS Rank, or I am a **** and people will think "Oh, a VS Member, how cute"!

The divisions, they are called the most bizarre things. Since when was VS a Bird Clan? Falcons?
Since when did the Marine Corps give it's members a basic education in leadership???
What is Secret about the VSSP? Why is it still used if it's so inactive?
What is the point of having divisions that are so poorly maintained and purely used by the Members to get better guns in game?

The HRs.
Half of them are inactive, half of them are morons. The people that exploit their own HQ to give themselves mopre Credits, the admin abusers that kill VS Members during a raid in front of High Ranking others and nothing is said.

The Trainings.
Again, BORING!
Why do I want to jump across bricks? it is doing nothing for anyone. How does throwing new Members in to a gun fight help with anything? They just die, sit out for twenty minutes and are rewarded with nothing. How many Forts within ROBLOX require you to do an obstacle course? How many raids have you carried out in a 40x40 Stud space?
Why are the trainings so unpractical? Because no one can be bothered to change a system that is failing.

Heads of Departments...
Why on earth would Lilly or whoever delegated the rank titles overrule their decisions when they propose new ideas? Either give them the jurisdiction to make on the spot decisions or just give them the Main Rank!

The Uniforms
Getting more and more boring, with about 50 different colours, styles and ranking ones. Have ONE definitive Uniform that labels EVERYONE within the group as a Member of it. Don't start classing the uniforms, and don't start colouring them like sherbet.

Fort/HQ.
Initially VSHQ was a brilliant Fort. It was fresh, tied in with the old VS of Justin and also gave Members a new purpose to defend with the Credits system and gun system.
Now? It's used primarily to earn money for the Leader and to disadvantage the Raiders.
It's boring, the watch tower/sniper tower/ chat tower/poo is as disgusting as it is poorly thought out. The guns are aging and the Juggernaut passes and countless "VIP" items just give you the impression you need them to be normal, not important.

Lilly's Dwindling Presence
You need to make many more shouts on the wall, attend more events and be a role model to those low in the group. If it wasn't for them joining you would have no reason to lead! Show the members you care more then just taking their money for VIP to buy pretty hats.



How to solve these problems?
Get one Uniform.
Have rank caps for the ranks exceeding 1st lieutenant, and always be reviewing the people within the ranks to ensure they are viable HRs.
Close down ALL divisions apart from VSHR. Wait several months before reintroducing VSSP, as a test to see if divisions can be a success. Ensure the HRs within VSSP host trainings daily and the group has a worth.
Branch the divisions out slowly if this is a success. However don't swamp members with 50 divisions all doing roughly similar things.
Discipline the HRs, Admin Abuse, banning of members unfairly and being idiots in public needs to be adressed. And stopped.
Have an entrance group for the Recruits. Before new members are admitted to the group have a holding group of those who are willing to work to be a part of VS.
If it's successful you strengthen the credibility of LRs within the group and C&G as well as your forces in battles.
Alliances need to be alliances instead of sitting pretty doing nothing. Defending a base is nothing, there needs to be agreements on a lot more than what base to defend.
Enemies need to be chosen more often, enemies bring out a lot of activity within VS, with an official enemy you strengthen the Members feeling of working towards something and helping inactivity stay low.
Make a brand new base like no others VS has had in style or substance. New guns, new landscape means new members will join the holding group waiting to see what VS is all about!
Three training places, and three only. Held by shared accounts so there is no profit making.
All three should simulate real life events as in Raids, defence, logic and skill.
If members are struggling make a group for their advancement. Completely unofficially make the group so there is no want to get in. Train those members up within the group to a good enough standard so they understand what combat should be like for them. How logical things are and how to defend well.
Get rid of the inactive HRs.
Get a new Leader, or get Lilly to step up as the figurehead she wishes to be.

Jimbojones
VS Observer
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madigan7657 is not online. madigan7657
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24 Aug 2013 10:26 AM
Agreed for the most part.
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Ihurtnoobs is not online. Ihurtnoobs
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24 Aug 2013 10:27 AM
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zheng12 is not online. zheng12
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24 Aug 2013 10:27 AM
tl;dr
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madigan7657 is not online. madigan7657
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24 Aug 2013 10:27 AM
However Lilly is constantly working on VS projects, she doesn't always have the time to pop ingame, she delegates that duty to her highranks to represent her and VS.
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jimbojones is not online. jimbojones
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24 Aug 2013 10:33 AM
But the LRs don't see that as the same.
If she just goes in to games once a day. That's good enough.
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JollySkyrim is not online. JollySkyrim
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24 Aug 2013 10:38 AM
Surprisingly, I agree with approximately 80% of this.
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GrimmReaper7 is not online. GrimmReaper7
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24 Aug 2013 10:39 AM
"Half of them are inactive, half of them are morons."

I'm inactive because of how insufferable 80% of the HRs are - half the administration drag the group in one direction, the other drags it in an entirely different direction, all whilst the highest ranks argue ridiculously and cannot agree on an issue as simple as Adpunk.

They're taking advantage of Lilly being in-charge and here spurts if inactivity to power grab and burn their own image into VS; so many of them sucked up to her before her ownership because they knew she'd become owner, and now they're chummy with her even after they've reached their power-abusing goals. Utterly ridiculous.
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DeadAdventure is not online. DeadAdventure
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24 Aug 2013 10:42 AM
I agree, most likely, justin did always came up on games from time to time. Well, when he released a new place that is.

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JollySkyrim is not online. JollySkyrim
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24 Aug 2013 10:42 AM
Grimm, I agree some are advantage-taking.
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jimbojones is not online. jimbojones
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24 Aug 2013 10:49 AM
So it's fair to say my observations weren't incorrect?
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Tippee is not online. Tippee
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24 Aug 2013 11:47 AM
Agreed Jimbo. Myself and Opper have been over most of these points already.
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imnotaguestimagirl is not online. imnotaguestimagirl
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24 Aug 2013 11:47 AM
I go to the HQ quite often, I attended a raid on APN the other day, and I defended Frost Clan for two hours with a server full of VS and FC members.

The ranks have been the same since JGA1's era, except there are more of them.

Criticizing the name of a division is a bit petty, no?

Most of my work does revolve around fixing my highranks however the issue is replacing the inactive and the morons. I don't know if you've noticed, Jimbo, but everyone pretty much abandoned ship after Justin left.

I don't understand your ranting in the Heads of Department section at all so I ask that you elaborate or explain better.

Keep in mind that even though I am the totalitarian dictator of the group, people still give me problems when I want to change things like the uniform.

I don't know where you've been, but I do post on the wall quite often and talk to VS members of all ranks.

Training? Our trainings are failing because of lack of discipline. It seems that all of the mature and disciplined people have either moved on from VS to create or join other clans, or have just left Roblox altogether.

Also, we're getting a new fort. Thanks for letting me know you're criticizing from a seat of inactivity.
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BigRyano is not online. BigRyano
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24 Aug 2013 11:50 AM
I don't mean to start an argument at all, but, saying half of HRs are inactive and half are morons?

That's a bit unfair, considering some are quite smart and active at the same time.
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LordIsacal is not online. LordIsacal
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24 Aug 2013 11:52 AM
Agreed with the most part. I am working on a training place now that is a WAY different then the usually training.
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supermanloser is not online. supermanloser
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24 Aug 2013 11:53 AM
Agreed, and i agree even more with the gamepasses part.
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toughman318 is not online. toughman318
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24 Aug 2013 11:53 AM
I remember you Jim. I've been in VS since December 27, 2010. I haven't left since.
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jimbojones is not online. jimbojones
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24 Aug 2013 11:54 AM
Also, we're getting a new fort. Thanks for letting me know you're criticizing from a seat of inactivity.

I sense you find my opinion offensive.
I'm not going to argue pettily with you.
You have a view, I don't try and rubbish it.
Inactivity is after all, subjective.
The fact lots of your HRs agreed with the above areas suggests you might be out of touch?

Again, an opinion.
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togov is online. togov
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24 Aug 2013 11:55 AM
Support.
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ChavezKool is not online. ChavezKool
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24 Aug 2013 11:57 AM
tl;dr vs is broken.

[://Shutupkoolman; banned for 3 days
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ArchLatios is not online. ArchLatios
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24 Aug 2013 11:58 AM
Hmmm...

VS was better when justin owned it.

No one can even come close to what he's done for it.
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jimbojones is not online. jimbojones
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24 Aug 2013 11:59 AM
They can if they actually move the clan forward.
Evidently Lilly doesn't see ANYTHING wrong with what she's doing.
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imnotaguestimagirl is not online. imnotaguestimagirl
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24 Aug 2013 11:59 AM
@jimbo

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely. I'm INFORMING you that you've been in the dark compared to most VS members as far as Fort Vertigo goes.

I didn't take offense. That was my rebuttal.
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jimbojones is not online. jimbojones
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24 Aug 2013 12:00 PM
I've visited the Fort. It would be silly of me not to at least visit before judging.
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imnotaguestimagirl is not online. imnotaguestimagirl
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24 Aug 2013 12:01 PM
@jimbo

In order to fix the situation with unintelligent highranks, I'd have to start plucking members from other groups and I'd have to promote people multiple ranks up to replace them. I don't like allowing people to skip ranks.
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