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PokemonLight is not online. PokemonLight
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17 Aug 2013 12:37 PM
Which is better
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Epiczombiekiller1998 is not online. Epiczombiekiller1998
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17 Aug 2013 12:52 PM
None.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 12:59 PM
inb4verylongcapitalismcommunismflamewar
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stealthyninja588 is not online. stealthyninja588
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17 Aug 2013 01:02 PM
SOVIET RUSSIA
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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17 Aug 2013 01:39 PM
capitalism: greed,corruption, imperialism, poverty

communism: equality
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 01:49 PM
greed is good.
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Haerdune is not online. Haerdune
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17 Aug 2013 02:45 PM
@Pepp
Greed isn't good, in my view, it causes people to hoard their wealth, to steal from others.
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RubiksCubix is not online. RubiksCubix
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17 Aug 2013 03:57 PM
capitalism: Equal starting point

communism: Equal ending point


You choose.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 07:01 PM
@haer

What is so bad about hoarding wealth?
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civilizationfreak is not online. civilizationfreak
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17 Aug 2013 07:01 PM
stop bumping this thread, please
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Telafight is not online. Telafight
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17 Aug 2013 07:20 PM
The only reason people have a negative view on communism is because dictators abused it. Communism actually promotes equality to all citizens.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 07:42 PM
What is so good about equality?
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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17 Aug 2013 07:44 PM
people give communism a negative connotation because it is usually acheived when everyone is terrible.
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Celestus is not online. Celestus
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17 Aug 2013 07:49 PM
'What is so good about equality?'

What is so bad about equality?

- I'm just going to ask what is good/bad about every word now to try and distract people from making good arguments. My name is pepper, an objectivist, who read an Ayn Rand book...... greed is good.........
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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17 Aug 2013 07:52 PM
if true equality is achieved then the elite aren't having any fun anymore.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 07:53 PM
I kind of like being an individual.

Being in a world where everyone is equal would be pretty boring.
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WarlordRising is not online. WarlordRising
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17 Aug 2013 08:29 PM
Capitalism: Encourages hard workers, and gives people the right to pursue their own interests.

Communism: Lazy people win.
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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17 Aug 2013 08:52 PM
>Encourages hard workers

Why don't sweatshop workers have a lot of money? In fact, most workers aren't really rich. It's just the corporations and bosses sitting down on their chairs and telling the workers what to do that have a lot of money. So capitalism actually encourages lazy people

> gives people the right to pursue their own interests.

How can impoverished people pursue their own interests?





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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 09:05 PM
Why don't sweatshop workers have a lot of money? In fact, most workers aren't really rich. It's just the corporations and bosses sitting down on their chairs and telling the workers what to do that have a lot of money. So capitalism actually encourages lazy people
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Then sir, do explain how the Western world developed so much, how the standard of living of these countries skyrocketed.

Especially countries like South Korea, Japan and Germany. These countries where obliterated because of WWII, but what saved them? What you call sweatshops. Those people earned a living and their children, and children's children are now enjoying better jobs with a better pay. Who gave their grand parents that enterprise? The very CEO's that sit in the office.
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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17 Aug 2013 09:23 PM
Then sir, do explain how the Western world developed so much

minumum wage

, how the standard of living of these countries skyrocketed.

universal healthcare and free education (save for USA)

Especially countries like South Korea

idk about S.K

, Japan

Only the rich are rich. People are living in closets (figuratively speaking) and wages are pretty low.

and Germany

universal healthcare and education

. These countries where obliterated because of WWII, but what saved them?

the charity of others

, and children's children are now enjoying better jobs with a better pay

jobs with better pay? most college grads in the US are either unemployed or are working $10/hr jobs.

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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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17 Aug 2013 09:25 PM
by exploiting them and making them work under bad working conditions

now the people today are doing the same thing
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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17 Aug 2013 09:27 PM
debt peonage is why capitalism cannot exist without heavy regulations or social safety nets, or a mix of the two.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 09:27 PM
Its the job they chose. No one is forcing them to work there.
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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17 Aug 2013 09:29 PM
job they choose? no company in the US will hire you if you arent heavily in student debt or have insane skills.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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17 Aug 2013 09:32 PM
I was referring to Super's post.

But when it comes to college students, there are other alternatives. To get a job you don't need a scholarship. You can get an apprenticeship of some kind.


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