generic image
Processing...
  • Games
  • Catalog
  • Develop
  • Robux
  • Search in Players
  • Search in Games
  • Search in Catalog
  • Search in Groups
  • Search in Library
  • Log In
  • Sign Up
  • Games
  • Catalog
  • Develop
  • Robux
   
ROBLOX Forum » Club Houses » Global Chat
Home Search
 

Re: -

Previous Thread :: Next Thread 
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 06:01 PM
This argument just baffles me. I don't understand it.

The Paris Commune, which was brought about after the fall of the Second French Empire, and the rise of the Third Republic, has been praised by Karl Marx himself, but only survived for two months. - Failed attempt at Communism.

The Soviet Union, before his death, Lenin was considering to steer the country toward capitalism for a while because his attempt at communism wasn't working as he hoped. Then collectivization of farms under Joseph Stalin, didn't work out so very well. The leaders that came after Stalin turned into any other despot that ruled many of the nations of the world. Gorbachev saw that this sort of communism wasn't working so well so he launch Glasnost and Perestroika. He hoped to give socialism/communism a human face, but instead result in a dissolution of the Soviet Union, and the rise of Free market economies in the former soviet republics. -Failed attempt at Communism.

Cuba, There are still elite classes that better healthcare than the lower classes. -Failed attempt at communism

Communism has been tried many times, it just have failed at each attempt. How I see it, those that say communism has never been attempted, will never admit its been attempted until it succeeds. If they want something that legitimately works that has some of their views, they can try Social Democracy.
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 06:02 PM
Forgot this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExhV7_k83Zo
Report Abuse
MagicErvinJohnson is not online. MagicErvinJohnson
Joined: 12 Aug 2013
Total Posts: 114
19 Aug 2013 06:03 PM
Let's not forget the most messed up version of Communism ever, Maoism

So much of a failure that it has a different classification
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 06:06 PM
How could I forget that?

They took that class struggle thing very seriously, did they?
Report Abuse
eTempest is not online. eTempest
Joined: 23 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 3704
19 Aug 2013 06:37 PM
I agree with you, but if communism always fails and turns out a certain way, isn't that form of failure considered communism?
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 06:38 PM
Elaborate.
Report Abuse
eTempest is not online. eTempest
Joined: 23 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 3704
19 Aug 2013 06:44 PM
Okay so communism's primary goal is to have equality throughout yes? It never works out that way however because higher social classes are always formed. The people in power manipulate the system into making themselves rich. If this always happens then how come this isn't the definition of communism?
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 06:49 PM
Ah, I see, that is a very good question.

It just brings in the the concept that you shouldn't judge things in theory but what they actually produce in the end.

Report Abuse
eTempest is not online. eTempest
Joined: 23 Jul 2011
Total Posts: 3704
19 Aug 2013 06:53 PM
Yes, it does. It makes me think of other things we automatically associate that concept with, but I can't really come up with anything.
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:02 PM
youre referencing a commune that was attempted before karl marxx wrote the communist manifesto

im against communism as well but thats a pretty ignorant thing to do
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:05 PM
The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848.

The Paris Commune was founded in the 1870s
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:06 PM
o

my bad

either way it wasnt "real communism"
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:12 PM
Marx regarded it as a "dictatorship of the proletariate". How much more 'real communism' could you get?
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:13 PM
well considering that the commune claimed it had the authority to govern all of france, i dont think that qualifies as real communism
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:17 PM
It may have claimed it, but it only had control over the territory it, well, controlled. Since the new Republican government was working much better, the commune fell.
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:19 PM
It still didn't have a communist mindset which is required for a true communist country
Report Abuse
SuperLuigiIsAwsome is not online. SuperLuigiIsAwsome
Joined: 14 May 2012
Total Posts: 1034
19 Aug 2013 07:20 PM
The Paris Commune, which was brought about after the fall of the Second French Empire, and the rise of the Third Republic, has been praised by Karl Marx himself, but only survived for two months. - Failed attempt at Communism.

That was an attempt at socialism, not communism. And it was established during a war

The Soviet Union, before his death, Lenin was considering to steer the country toward capitalism for a while because his attempt at communism wasn't working as he hoped. Then collectivization of farms under Joseph Stalin, didn't work out so very well. The leaders that came after Stalin turned into any other despot that ruled many of the nations of the world. Gorbachev saw that this sort of communism wasn't working so well so he launch Glasnost and Perestroika. He hoped to give socialism/communism a human face, but instead result in a dissolution of the Soviet Union, and the rise of Free market economies in the former soviet republics. -Failed attempt at Communism.

Joseph Stalin made the Soviet Union state capitalist, not socialist. And Lenin never considered capitalism

Cuba, There are still elite classes that better healthcare than the lower classes. -Failed attempt at communism

But Cuba doesn't practice communism
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:20 PM
You can judge it for what they did within the territory they controlled.
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:23 PM

That was an attempt at socialism, not communism. And it was established during a war

Communism, Socialism these two are juxtaposed.


Joseph Stalin made the Soviet Union state capitalist, not socialist. And Lenin never considered capitalism

Because their original theories, they figure out, would not work


But Cuba doesn't practice communism

...Anymore
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:23 PM
So if I claim I run a fascist government and it in reality has no power then it still counts as fascism????
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:25 PM
How was Russia under Stalin capitalist

Are you stupid it was basically an oligarchy run by wealthy landowners who lobbied Stalin and his advisors
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:28 PM
So if I claim I run a fascist government and it in reality has no power then it still counts as fascism????
----
No, we just get a stupid fascist.
Report Abuse
SuperLuigiIsAwsome is not online. SuperLuigiIsAwsome
Joined: 14 May 2012
Total Posts: 1034
19 Aug 2013 07:30 PM
"Communism, Socialism these two are juxtaposed."

Communism has no classes, no government, no currency. Socialism has a government and currency and the economy is controlled by the government

"Because their original theories, they figure out, would not work"

The later leaders of The Soviet Union did because Joseph Stalin messed it up


"Anymore"

It never practiced communism
Report Abuse
pepper0 is not online. pepper0
Joined: 01 Sep 2007
Total Posts: 12032
19 Aug 2013 07:32 PM
@super

In that case, you're probably looking for the communism that existed in Cambodia.
Report Abuse
sasuke987654321555 is not online. sasuke987654321555
Joined: 07 Mar 2009
Total Posts: 33185
19 Aug 2013 07:33 PM
No, we just get a stupid fascist.
----------------------------
it wouldnt count as a fascist government exactly

same thing as the paris commune except with reversed ideals.
Report Abuse
Previous Thread :: Next Thread 
Page 1 of 1
 
 
ROBLOX Forum » Club Houses » Global Chat
   
 
   
  • About Us
  • Jobs
  • Blog
  • Parents
  • Help
  • Terms
  • Privacy

©2017 Roblox Corporation. Roblox, the Roblox logo, Robux, Bloxy, and Powering Imagination are among our registered and unregistered trademarks in the U.S. and other countries.



Progress
Starting Roblox...
Connecting to Players...
R R

Roblox is now loading. Get ready to play!

R R

You're moments away from getting into the game!

Click here for help

Check Remember my choice and click Launch Application in the dialog box above to join games faster in the future!

Gameplay sponsored by:
Loading 0% - Starting game...
Get more with Builders Club! Join Builders Club
Choose Your Avatar
I have an account
generic image