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| 14 Aug 2013 08:53 AM |
http://www.roblox.com/groups/group.aspx?gid=72043 thanks obama |
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| 14 Aug 2013 08:54 AM |
| side note, i completely support communism and socialism. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 08:54 AM |
Communism and socialism punish success and reward the lazy.
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halo83
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| 14 Aug 2013 08:56 AM |
"support communism and socialism"
dont let the door hit you on the way out
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:02 AM |
no please tell me how america says it is equal. it isnt. its fair. and it isnt even really that fair. socialism: everyone has a home, everyone has food, everyone has a job, everyone has water and electricity. please tell me how socialism is a lot worse than a republic. America: plenty of homeless and starving, crappy economy, sends millions of dollars to AFRICA to feed them even though its none of their concerns. Tell me how that sounds right. |
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halo83
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:04 AM |
who said we were americans
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:05 AM |
You base your entire argument on America? That invalidates everything you have to say. It's NOT more equal, but it's more FAIR. Those who WORK HARD get the rewards, those who don't get barely anything, THAT is the fair way.
With communism and socialism, a stupid fool who barely tries hard/works hard his entire life is just as well off as somebody who's spent their entire life working as hard as they can, with great qualifications etc. THAT IS UNFAIR and IMMORAL.
Plus, more people died as a DIRECT result of communism than ALL the deaths from WW1 and WW2 combined; the indirect deaths as a result of communism would probably double that figure. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:09 AM |
The reason I use America as an Example is because I live there, I'm pretty sure the UK and friends are just as bad. Anyway.
Your second argument supports you're third one. A stupid fool who barely works will get killed. As for those who work to hard and die from exhaustion; its merely thinning the world of the weak.
So please tell me how hard Bill gates works now aday's? Sure he worked hard to start off but now adays? The hardest assignment he has to do is show up at a conference or a revealing. While we others have to bust their arse with 2-3 jobs a day to support their family.
But excuse me, I never realized how 'perfect' the 'fair' system is. If I known earlier I would of never made this thread. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:12 AM |
The people who have to work that hard are the backbone of the economy and get by as it is. Those who really struggle clearly should have gotten better qualifications for better jobs or should have been more fiscally responsible.
Bill Gates earned his fortune and now he doesn't have to work as a reward; is it HIS fault that his company took off so well? Plus, need I remind you he was knighted by the queen for the huge amounts of money and awareness he raises for the elimination of certain diseases in LEDC's. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:13 AM |
| /r/thanksobama living this here |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:16 AM |
"backbone of the economy" Americas economy is garbage. Not sure about any others so ill use america as the main example here.
Say, you are like my parents, You have a great job, paying well, supporting the family with extra money for special things. Then you get laid off due to the crappy economy. Tell me how its your fault the leader of the country doesnt know how to lead it? |
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Celestus
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:16 AM |
Communism is a bad thing, those who work hard should be rewarded.
At the same time, I believe Capitalism is bad, as this also fails to reward those who work hard. Why? Because in a society where work ethic is proportional to income, there would be no such thing as a billionaire, how can one defend the legitimacy of a wage being proportional to income when one man can earn the same as 10,000 hard working doctors?
That is why I am a moderate Socialist. Services should be provided to give equal opportunity, and income should not be entirely operated by the free market. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:20 AM |
Im personally a socialist myself. But the fact that people see's any "unfair" political ways, they automatically say its "bad".
I see plenty of awful political ways everywhere, but if /call/ it fair, then apparently it makes it okay.
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:22 AM |
i have some words to say
china lots of money
----made in china---- |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:22 AM |
Devel those last few points you make are right. You're right in that respect; it's not their fault they got laid off, but it's not capitalism's either - it's the way capitalism is being managed by awful politics.
Socio-capitalism is a newer theory that aims to solve this, unfortunately for it to actually work well, it'd require massive reforms in an already weakened western/MEDC cluster of economies. |
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clone2554
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:23 AM |
I would rather work for something then have it handed to me. Atleast I earned something.
[-Clone of the Future-] |
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Buster362
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:23 AM |
communism and socialism are inapplicable in an imperfect world
by all means, communism would work in the garden of eden where everyone is perfect and truly altruistic
but in real life communism and socialism leave a gigantic power vacuum that some determined soul will exploit and try to control xd
just look at soviet russia
it failed
lol
and everyone hated it k?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:24 AM |
@Demon Thank you for supporting what im about to say.
In America, if you actual know what true communism is, unlike 90% of the population(especially those swaggot kids but eh, whatever). If you say Communism is a bad thing, you automatically have people saying it isn't with NO support whats so ever. "Heitler was actual a great leader" The response will be "NO HE WAS ASATNIST HES BAD" Like really. The fact people shoot down other things because of a few bad things is irritating. "But the communist in Cuba threatened to nuke america so communism is bad" |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:26 AM |
| He was a great leader, just a bad man - if you remove his racist ideology, what he did to improve Germany's economy, infrastructure, politics etc. was pure genius. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:27 AM |
| Murica has no control over the media. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:29 AM |
@OP I honestly think you would not be saying what you are if you lived in a country that enforces communism, socialism, etc
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:29 AM |
| @Intric, that's because he'd be censored or killed before he had a chance to even think it. |
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| 14 Aug 2013 09:30 AM |
Exactly, He was a great leader. If it wasnt for his childhood PTSD of other race's. And his way of turning that PTSD into Annihalation, Who knows, that guy would of probably done great things to Europe(and hopefully america) But nope. He made one wrong move which turned all of good things into asatinic power. He could of made every single person in Germany a millionaire, but the second he gassed a certain type of people, everything he did was bad.
Same goes for Political ways. Russia did the same thing as heitler, but since they helped America and Europe in WW2 it was completely okay with the rest of the allies world.
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