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Re: Email/IP-wide progress via "Email/IPDataPersistence".

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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 12:22 PM
So... I played TheFurryFox's "Survive the 93 Disasters" as a Guest, and the script he used to give them three free skateboards got me thinking... why not store your main's data for alts?

Example: Say I reach Level 1000 in an RPG or I bought a Game Pass elsewhere, and then I decide I want to go on an alt or play as a Guest. Since I had already worked for it as my main, my alts/Guests are rewarded with the Game Pass' features or my hard work reaching 1000. Only ROBLOX Studio will know, like the character-only DataPersistence, and it will be forever hidden in the mists, much like how your character's progression is saved.

Ask a question and I'll answer it.
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chunKs66 is not online. chunKs66
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13 Aug 2013 12:35 PM
I am sorry, It took me a while to read since I have ADHD and I couldn't focus on it but, I finally get what you are saying.


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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 12:40 PM
@Chunks66

Which view were you? 3-8 are valid numbers.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 12:46 PM
No support. Different accounts are different accounts. There is no reason data should be shared between them. If you want all of your data from your main account, play on your main account.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 12:55 PM
@TecmagDiams

Other MMOs do this just fine. Go into specifics.
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SurfKing12 is not online. SurfKing12
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13 Aug 2013 12:56 PM
I agree with Tecmag on this one.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 12:58 PM
@SurfKing12

Then you are an opponent. Provide your ground, go into specifics.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 01:05 PM
@Team TecMagDiams

I'm waiting for your move.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 01:46 PM
@Team TecMagDiams

It's against S&I's rules to just say "No Support". Give a reason.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 01:49 PM
Sorry, t'was out for lunch. I have already provided my base argument, "Different accounts are different accounts." "If you want all of your data from your main account, play on your main account."

The purpose of an account is to be the thing data is linked to. It's a centralized point that is your data on a game/site/service. Data linked to that account should stay exclusive to that account. There is no point to log on as a guest if you have an account, the only purpose would be so you could partake in toxic play. Similar if you have gotten really far in a game in Roblox, you should play on your account, not a different alternate, the only reasons to play on an alternate account would be (1) To start over or (2) to participate in toxic activities without them being linked to your main account. This following data prevents starting over, and enables toxic players to keep their in-game content while being an alt for toxic behavior.

Similar, if you are in a household with more than one user, you don't want that data shared. You don't want your sibling's gameplay to effect your account. What if they gave away all your stuff? Reset the in-game stats? Ruined your persistent KDR?

Accounts are the reference for data, and it should stay that way. If for any reason you want the data from your account to be used, simply use your account instead of an alt.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 02:01 PM
@TecMagDiams

Now that you have provided a reason, let us fight as warriors on the battlefield.

Toxic behavior, that's a difficult topic. However, there is such a thing as an IP ban, and a poison ban. Apply both permanently and properly, that toxic ROBLOXian is removed for good. That is an IP-wide ban, much the same as being banned forever and never allowed to come back. You can actually report a Guest for mean behavior, and that account would be reprimanded. I'm going to be asking ROBLOX how they will deal with toxic behavior.

As for the topic of sharing, I tend to think of this as the entire sum of all of your ROBLOX accounts, or characters. If your friends need a character, you can give them one under your credits, so that they don't need your character.

Also, I was talking about Places, not the website as a whole, if that somehow started the fight.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 02:19 PM
"Also, I was talking about Places, not the website as a whole, if that somehow started the fight."
No, I assumed you meant places, and it's not a fight, it's my opinion.

I think you just made up the term "Poison Ban." I am fully aware of what an IP ban is and how it works, but that has nothing to do with this idea, and it infact encourages jumping to an IP ban with less warning, which can punish innocent people who share the same IP, such as siblings. An IP ban does not get rid of a toxic player's ability to be toxic, there are many ways to annonimize one's self online, including ways to mask your IP.

There is no need to share accounts between different people, as that goes against the purpose of the accounts, infact you are not allowed to trade/sell/give away accounts as they are not your property, they are the property of the company who's made the product you are using. I would not be surprised if it is written in the user-agreements like almost every company does that such activities are not allowed.

"The accounts, activities, items, games and models are for you to play with while on the site. Except as permitted by the functionality of this site, you can't sell them (for money or ROBLOX Points), give them to anyone, trade them for anything (including ROBLOX Points), or pretend you made them."
There is is.

Once again I point out that if you want to use the DataP from something you earned in-game, like a level in an RPG, simply play on YOUR account, not an alt.
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incredy is not online. incredy
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13 Aug 2013 02:25 PM
Please refer paragraph by paragraph, not by quotes, it can be hard to read.

I would agree with guests, but not with alts.



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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 02:30 PM
@TecmagDiams

The general rule in Suggestions and Ideas is that you start fights by saying "No Support". That's just the way it works.

And no, I did not make it up. I wish I did, but I didn't. Where an IP ban would fail, the Poison ban would kick in. If you try to log into an account shared by an 3mail, you receive punishment based on your criminal record(s). If both are applied, the person is completely eliminated for good, and the "One account per 3mail" rule must be applied if they ever wish to even appeal for their massive crime history.

Scenario: Even after this idea is implemented, it's still against the rules to ask for ROBLOX Securities from your online "friends". Real life friends and family trust each other, non-issue.

Your move.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 02:32 PM
@incredy

Since you're a 50/50... I challenge half of you, until the unsupportive 50 becomes the supportive 100.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 02:55 PM
Seriously, it actually does work in other MMO's.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 03:27 PM
Poison ban.. that isn't a term. E-mail based bans happen, those are just bans. IP bans happen. There is not "Poison Ban."

I have seen almost NO games that allow the trading, giving away, or selling of accounts.

I have yet to see a game where you have an account and other users accounts can be linked with yours and share data between them. I have seen games like Guild Wars that you can have multiple characters on one account, and that you are not allowed to have multiple people use a single account, but even then the characters inside the account don't share all their data, infact only a select bit of the ACCOUNT'S data is shared between them.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 03:58 PM
@TecmagDiams

You contradict yourself.

What I want is what you described in the second paragraph, I.E:

"I have yet to see a game where you have an account and other users accounts can be linked with yours and share data between them. I have seen games like Guild Wars that you can have multiple characters on one account, and that you are not allowed to have multiple people use a single account, but even then the characters inside the account don't share all their data, infact only a select bit of the ACCOUNT'S data is shared between them." WoW lets you have multiple characters, and they share achievements and mounts. I want ROBLOX to do the same.

What you think I want is what you said in this quote: "I have seen almost NO games that allow the trading, giving away, or selling of accounts." I still condone this, but you think I want this. Hence, a "No Support" fight.

Also, you said that to an interim post I usually say between moves.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 04:10 PM
I didn't contradict myself. Roblox has 1 character per account. No MMO I have ever heard of shares data between accounts. Only character's WITHIN accounts. TecmagDiams is my account on Roblox. There is no reason to be able to share data between it and one of my alts, they are separate accounts.

You said you want to be able to give people access to a character you made, or under your "account."
>"If your friends need a character, you can give them one under your credits, so that they don't need your character."

Accounts are for ONE person. One user, one account. Roblox doesn't have characters within the account, you ARE the account.

You have still dodged a point this entire time,
There is no reason to share data between accounts. If you want to have your stats in a game, instead of logging in as an alt, or a guest, just log in on your main.
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CrazyKilla15 is not online. CrazyKilla15
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13 Aug 2013 04:18 PM
poison ban is a ban type i have seen roblox use before, it was a few years ago though but it does exist(or did)

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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 04:20 PM
@TecmagDiams

I'm sorry, but who is dodging the point? That's right, you are!

Do you seriously want me to suggest something similar to a Battle.net account, where multiple WoW accounts can be shared under one BNET account? I don't want people sharing accounts. That is the point YOU are dodging.

This is why "No Support" starts fights. Just change your opinion to "Support", and we can be on our way.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 04:23 PM
Alright. So it's just slang?

It's just a ban of an account along with associated accounts right? Infact from what I am getting it's really just an e-mail ban right? Don't see the need for some slang term for it, but whatever, if it's used by the community whatever.

In the end an IP Ban and an E-mail (Or Poison) Ban have nothing to do with this idea, or my stance on it.

My stance originates from the fact that you have an account. Use that account. DataP should not be linked between accounts.
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TecmagDiams is not online. TecmagDiams
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13 Aug 2013 04:28 PM
"This is why "No Support" starts fights. Just change your opinion to "Support", and we can be on our way. "
Well I'm sorry your ego is to fragile to hear someone say that they don't support your idea. You have failed to win me over, and do not support this idea, in which I'm still not fighting about as you admit to being. I'm stating my opinion, and reasons why.

I haven't dodged any points. On www.roblox.com an account and a character are the same thing. There is no need for multiple characters per account, as roblox is a centralized system. WoW and the like focus on giving users characters that CAN NOT be and do everything. Roblox DOES NOT. One character in Roblox can be and do everything.

There is no reason dataP should be linked to e-mails, or IPs, which is what your idea is, because your ACCOUNT is where you earned them, and your account does not contain characters, it IS the character.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 04:30 PM
@TecmagDiams

And we are back to square one. How fantastic... *sigh*

ROBLOX is not alt-friendly.
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nairb is online. nairb
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13 Aug 2013 04:33 PM
@TecmagDiams

And again we go back to square one. And it seems we will be fighting for eons.

You refuse to admit you dodged points, and instead use the typical "You are weak" flamebait. For as long as you don't support, we will fight.
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