Fluxoid
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:05 PM |
Hello, recently myself and shattered have been putting forth lot's of effort into reforming the Mentor's Guild and have it serve a better purpose for UAF than what is has in the past.
What we have come into agreement on is creating a new system and better and more efficient way of creating better leaders and officers for UAF.
This will possibly get rid of "oP" (Hopefully it will or the current system will be trashed).
The view that we have right now for the Division is having it act as a sort of Academy and Learning Division for the new Officers.
Each Grade will have certain teachings and none will be the same.
Each Grade as a permanent teacher. The teachers will be chosen by the voting of myself (Or any other Council if there will ever be more) and shattered. We will choose the teachers upon who we think can teach the current curriculum the best.
Within the Division we are planning on doing the following ranks: -Grade 1 -Grade 2 -Grade 3 -Grade 4 -Grade 5 -Grade 6 -Testing -Graduation
Each grade serves as a "Class" and will act as such.
In order to pass a Grade you must attend AND pass 2 classes for that ONE SINGLE GRADE.
Schedules will be on set DAYS but not hours. The schedule will work as such: The FIRST EVER class will start on Monday. So....
Monday- Grade 1 Tuesday- Grade 2 Wednesday- Grade 3 Thursday- Grade 4 Friday- Grade 5 Saturday- Grade 6 Sunday- Grade 1 Monday- Grade 2 Tuesday- Grade 3 etc.... The Schedule will loop and the teachers will always keep you posted on what Grade will be taught on what day of the week via shout.
The testing phase will be whenever the Testing Teacher get's with the "Testing" Grade Students and has them host events and such.
As for right now we will not be releasing what will be taught for each individual grade except for Grade 1 which we have come up with an agreement on what will be taught for it.
Grade 1: -Establishing Mentor's Guild Rules along with teaching the Constitution and Codex Laws. Quiz them on it. So each Grade will act as a build up for the next and up to all the way to Grade 6 and Testing of which Grade 6 will be the Exam period with Testing proving that you know what we have taught you.
The testing will range from hosting events (With the Testing Teacher as Co-Host) to have a sit down period with your teacher and answering their questions on what you have truly learned and remember from the classes.
This project has only a days worth of hours of work behind it and is still being developed.
The purpose of this thread is to have the people's opinion on what is listed and their perspectives on it. As well as any questions or concerns one may have over this new Division and possible reforms. |
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:06 PM |
| i was a mentor during bennyblue's time |
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fryber11
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:08 PM |
| Fluxoid, make sure this actually lives and is actually much more beneficial than the stupid academy blox tried. |
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:11 PM |
@AK
The Grey Knights and this are very similar, and bringing back the Grey Knights would be so beneficial.
Idk what I was thinking, this is nothing compared to the Grey Knights.
~UAF2013~ |
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Diggy25
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:14 PM |
"have it serve a better purpose for UAF than what is has in the past."
>I was a mentor; it had to be better in the past |
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Fluxoid
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:18 PM |
| AK if you knew what Logic was you wouldn't have said #Logic. |
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51toad
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:22 PM |
| But I have like 14 oP.... =( |
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Fluxoid
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:24 PM |
| We will figure out a way to make sure your hard work for the current oP you have isn't gone to waste if oP is trashed. |
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fryber11
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:25 PM |
| Just give her the last oP then? |
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Fluxoid
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:35 PM |
| Remember that the MAIN purpose is to build better Leaders and Officers for UAF. |
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fryber11
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| 10 Aug 2013 09:37 PM |
| Yeah, make it better than the academy. |
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| 10 Aug 2013 10:28 PM |
I was Mentor+ in Ben's time. It was so fun back then. |
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yoyo774
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| 10 Aug 2013 10:49 PM |
As was I, mudkip. Ben's era had some great memories ^-^ |
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| 10 Aug 2013 11:02 PM |
The only way the academy strived in shadowsword's era was that the teachers actually bothered to devote their time into hosting trainings in the academy, and that the majors actually bothered to show up. If the teachers put enough effort, the MG will run smoothly.
The only thing is, you're turning the Mentor's Guild into an Academy, when the true use of the MG was to have a HR teach 2 or 3 MRs/LRs, which ran smoothly, until people got tired of it. |
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| 10 Aug 2013 11:04 PM |
| please, i was head of the council in mentors guild in shadowsword-disco's eras |
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Steeler55
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| 11 Aug 2013 12:39 AM |
I must place my disagreements with this in a fairly high degree.
I consent with Compressor's idea of people not being devoted. It is true.
Along with this, let's not forget the fact that there will be a unilateral choice of teachers by you. This is basically against the idea of "Peoples' Clan" in that those teaching the lower ranks, who are SUPPOSED to be equal outside of the respective duties of their rank, are being chosen by one person while others may not agree that those people are qualified for their position.
At that, I would imagine, as you've not yet put forth the rest of the classes bases, that some of those classes will have to be taught by sub-par HRs, unless you are actually letting ANYONE, of ANY rank, who is qualified to teach that particular subject.
Also, I am a tad unclear on the whole scheduling part. If the schedule is the same every week, some people may not be able advance through a class due to having something to do on that day every week (like an activity). But perhaps that's not what you meant there.
Anyways, I hope you can see the flaws here. |
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Fluxoid
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| 11 Aug 2013 12:50 AM |
Eh, not flaws more of a misunderstanding.
And sorry bro, but the People don't have a say-so with everything. :) And it's not by one person it's by the Mentor's Guild Staff. We plan on releasing survey's to each student who pass a grade and many of the questions will have to do with their opinions on the teacher. All of the people's opinions and concerns are taken into consideration and if the same complaints and area of concerns grow largely enough we will consider taking action in changing it.
We already went through the current High Ranks and labeled each one with who would do good with what skill area and who has what trade and such. So Teachers are already chosen in a sense and they are all High Ranks.
If you miss a class then you attend the next (whatever grade level you are) class. You also missed another point and that is if a player can't attend the class cause the server is full. Same thing with each case, if they can't attend that week's class then you wait till the next one to attend. Teachers will have their own document of who attends what training and how many times they have attended that training. |
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halo83
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| 11 Aug 2013 12:51 AM |
omg on topic reported! -partytimecc
sincerely, the swagmeister |
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| 11 Aug 2013 03:12 AM |
| As a former mentor this probably isn't a better purpose, but whatever. |
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Omnovia
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| 11 Aug 2013 07:21 AM |
| The People should be able to vote on if this should be established or if the present system should remain. I want our People's Clan to begin giving the people more opportunities for change. |
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| 11 Aug 2013 08:39 AM |
Firstly, before releasing the Mentor's Guild, build a school (I know it doesn't sound serious, but it's the only way this can work), with each Grade being placed in different classrooms. Have a rule where if a student or students are behaving inappropriately or disrupting the class, they can be removed from the classroom and sent to the council for a 'punishment' of some sort. The punishment could be that they are bumped down a grade, but if it is Grade 1, they will instantly fail the class, something like that.
The tests for the 'testing' area need to be serious and hard, there's no point in spending all that time in order to pass the test easily, the coordinator(s) need to make sure that they have focused and concentrated in classes. Include some clan history, it's nice to know it.
Lastly, Fluxoid, I have an idea which I can't say, or it can ruin the whole syllabus of the classes, so I'll PM you what I want to say.
SWIGGITY SWAG, WHAT'S IN THE BAG? |
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Steeler55
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| 11 Aug 2013 08:46 AM |
Well, Fluxoid, let's see. According to you, "the People don't have a say-so with everything". When was the last time they did? The war vote?
And this staff that was chosen? I'm sure it was unilateral decision, too, eh? Sounds to me like a small oligarchy you're building here.
And the only people allowed to teach are the HRs? And who tagged them with traits; more HRs? Quite frankly, friend, half the HRs here could learn from the Professionals. The fact that you're (not just you, but this faction as a whole) is being so dense as to miss the clear fact that UAF is no longer being a Peoples' Clan- it is structuring itself into a little oligarchy; and this isn't going to help at all.
Finally, the gall of you to decide which HRs are teaching is beyond horrid. I can find quite a number of people in the lower ranks more qualified to teach there.
Thank you for clearing up the scheduling, but you really need to rethink how you run this.
Yours Truly. |
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| 11 Aug 2013 08:47 AM |
@ Steeler,
I understand the whole thing about us being the PEOPLES ' clan, but we can't be realistic, as this is a game, so being fully equal is very hard to obtain, there needs to be limits for low ranks and limits for high ranks, Low Ranks don't need to be taught how to lead a clan, that only comes in after they have been taught how to fight, and teamwork. That's much more important for them at such an early stage.
You also claim that it is against the ways of the PEOPLES' clan, as the low ranks are not being taught in this division, but your statement is invalid, as the low ranks will still be trained, not just the way Officers are taught. The Officers have no use in regular trainings, they're just doing repeats of what they already know, so it's time we actually gave them something to do.
Back to the fully equal idea, that also means we have to make low ranks and middle ranks observe high rank meetings, let low ranks host trainings, and see what the high ranks are discussing on the HR wall, in order to satisfy that need, but we can't do that, as things can go wrong in a horrible way. |
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