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Re: How the Soviets defeated the Germans;

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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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10 Aug 2013 03:26 AM
The soviets realized that they had no skill - that they couldn't defeat Generals of actual skill like Manstein or Guderian. So they decided well let's just run at them and shoot!!!! Due to the soviets having a literally almost unlimited supply of manpower this tactic worked.
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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10 Aug 2013 03:30 AM
What makes you think that?
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10 Aug 2013 03:34 AM
it was general winter's campaign that beat the germans
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10 Aug 2013 03:37 AM
Why would this be sarcastic;

Kursk - The Soviets Dug a ditch (Literally) and stuffed thousands of men in there. Then behind all that they held ~40,000 tanks, s-p guns and artillery in reserve. There was nothing tactical about it.

Moscow - German vehicles froze during the winter which was a massive set back. Plus with hit-- consistentcy of changing the overall strategy - or goal it left Army Group Center without all of it's reserves.

Stalingrad - Literally just threw men at the Germans. Besides their one tactic of turning a civilian building into a fortress.

Leningrad - The Finns didn't allow the Germans to go through their occupied territory, which was the whole idea for the Germans to begin with.

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10 Aug 2013 03:42 AM
Why would anybody think that? The Soviets had two - three great generals at most. The Germans were more tactically involved and just overall better
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10 Aug 2013 03:47 AM
i guess it shows sheer numbers trump tactics and training
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flatline115 is not online. flatline115
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10 Aug 2013 03:50 AM
Not quite. The biggest problem for the German army was the Order of Battle. Nobody could make a decision without it being 'ok'ed' by hit-- and hit-- having the tactical sense of a corporal from the first world war was bound to make tons of tactical and strategical errors.
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10 Aug 2013 03:52 AM
fair enough hitlers tactics were outdated...
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10 Aug 2013 03:58 AM
No. It wasn't just that. He was a psychopath. He thought he was always right and nothing was ever up for discussion.. This resulted terribly as an example he should have given Manstein the ok to order Paulus to break out. But since he was to fixated on victory he sacrificed the sixth army due to his inability to see defeat as imminent.
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