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EmptyBaseplates is not online. EmptyBaseplates
Joined: 05 Feb 2010
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02 Aug 2013 01:48 PM
Comrades of the Motherland, allow our voices to be heard!

We are here to bring forth the unjust actions that we believe to have occurred during the UAF court case of "Fryber11 v. Bloxman26", which took place on 1 August, 2013 from approximately 3:00 PM EST to 6:30 PM EST.

To begin, comrades, we find that the defendant, Bloxman26, was blatantly favored by both the Court Judge and the Jury prior to the beginning of the court session. This was evident, as the Jury would throw words at the plantiff during his statements, most of which who were not paying attention to the case, likely because they'd already decided if the defendant was guilty or not.

In the argument of the Judge's bias, he continually overruled the objections of the persecutor, all of which were on fair-standing grounds to make said objections. Any objections made by the defendant were accepted, though there was no foul play in terms of the grounds for this, though they were of equal right as the persecutor.

To go along, comrades, we also find that the defendant had an ample amount of support and witnesses in the viewing audience, which he could call up at leisure and milk for easy support. None of the plantiff's witnesses were in favor of him, nor was theresuch an extensive amount as the defendant's in the audience.

The plantiff was also absent of a lawyer, which should have nullified the trial as you are required to have a lawyer, aside from help he had been receiving by outside means, which were not as useful as a standing lawyer. He had little time to prepare for the trial, as it had only been announced moments before the trial itself, and none of his planned lawyers or witnesses were available to him. This did not bar the Court from beginning anyways.

The Jury was also constantly replaced, as we said, as there had been unattentiveness in the stands, and thus was regularly being replaced with new Jurors.

To go along with this, the Court never went into a recess, a common breaktime in trials, which was obviously needed as the trial lasted several hours on end, and was angering the already biased Jury, Judge, and audience, lowering any support for the plantiff whatsoever.

In conclusion, comrades, the trial was very botched and biased towards the defendant. We, those who seek true Justice in the eyes of the Motherland, find the trial "Fryber11 v. Bloxman 26" to be completely irrelevant and needing to be disbanded, as it was clearly insufficient to solve the issue(s) at hand.

The People who have signed this list believe in Fairness, Equality, and Justice. After all, a proper PEOPLE's Clan is what Urban Assault Forces stands to achieve. Our Constituion and Codex has outlined the principles of what that is, and these unjust actions will not go unpunished.

Signed;
[UAFGEN] EmptyBaseplates
[UAFCOL] Michaek
[UAFOFF] Steeler55
[UAFOFF] Lucara
[UAFPRO] DarkJoe272
[UAFPRO] Oriyana
[UAFSSGT] Twilightfox495
[UAFCORP] Olethrus

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SgtTurner is not online. SgtTurner
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02 Aug 2013 01:49 PM
heil
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02 Aug 2013 01:50 PM
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fryber11 is not online. fryber11
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02 Aug 2013 01:56 PM
I can't believe you guys are doing this :o
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Fluxoid is not online. Fluxoid
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02 Aug 2013 01:59 PM
Even if the court case is dissolved Fryber wont get his rank back.

The court case was for Fryber to try and get his rank back. Just because you disband the court case doesnt mean fryber gets a freeby back at his rank.

The court case will be re-done
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bloxman26 is not online. bloxman26
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02 Aug 2013 02:01 PM
First off, empty, you yourself, and a number of those signatures were not present for the trial, and are basing an argument off of a retelling by one side of the argument, and not both sides, rendering your entire argument completely biased and with no knowledge of the events whatsoever.

Now, to address the thread itself;

Shattered's 'bias' was not evident towards either side. Looking at the case from the side of fryber's supporters, it may appear this way.

They've neglected to tell you that shattered did in fact overrule 1 of my 2 objections throughout the entire case, again showing your lack of knowledge on the event.

Next, Fryber did not seek a lawyer for the trial, as he stated that he did not want one before the trial began. Later on, Legosonic was giving fryber phrases and questions, which were copy and pasted directly from the teamspeak. Fryber had his help, however it was too late.

The new jurors were used as backup, who, according to moolego, were fully briefed on the events that had happened. Many of the new jurors had left anyways, and much of the jury at the end was made up of the original jurors, rather than replacements.

And again, your lack of knowledge on the event shines bright, as the court did go into recess, however the jurors became even more upset as they'd wanted to finish, not take a break.

To truly defend equality and justice, you should know the full story instead of a single side's recounting.

It is blatantly obvious that this argument is written by those who are misinformed.
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Omnovia is not online. Omnovia
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02 Aug 2013 02:08 PM
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Omnovia is not online. Omnovia
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02 Aug 2013 02:09 PM
Wait, I thought you meant in general, not the trial. I misunderstood this. I didn't attend the trial, so I wouldn't know. :( If someone recorded it, I might be able to know how it went down. Sorry, must take back signature for now.
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Steeler55 is not online. Steeler55
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02 Aug 2013 02:09 PM
Blox, you are correct to an extent. I think there was still bias towards your end.

Fryber originally planned to have a lawyer on hand, but was not able to reach one at the time of the trial, and thus accepted self-defending.

Despite your objection(s) being overruled, ALL of Fryber's were.

Briefing the Jurors may not be sufficient in whole to get the case across to them. The recess could have lasted until today, which I think would have certainly alleviated stress of the Jury and Judge, as well as given both sides time to reconcile.

Lego's help to Fryber was fairly limited, as well.


However, I do get what you mean by the fact that this is looked through by one end of the glass, though I still think it was rather biased in your favor beforehand, regardless of any of the above mentioned things.

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AtmosphereTheory is not online. AtmosphereTheory
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02 Aug 2013 02:11 PM
aaaa

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ElectricEnergy is not online. ElectricEnergy
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02 Aug 2013 02:11 PM
whats going on
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bloxman26 is not online. bloxman26
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02 Aug 2013 02:13 PM
I personally don't see how the amount of objections denied/accepted per side of the case makes the judge bias.

I could understand if they were on the same grounds, but the objection that he accepted and the ones he denied were not on the same grounds, at all.
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BballerTheGreat is not online. BballerTheGreat
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02 Aug 2013 02:13 PM
You can always rely on the Coalition of Steel on making ridiculously long paragraphs on something.
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Steeler55 is not online. Steeler55
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02 Aug 2013 02:18 PM
I suppose that was poorly explained, looking at it.

I don't really think I can explain how we saw the judge as biased... Perhaps he was not and it just seemed that way due to tension, but from our perspective, it certainly seemed like it.

As for the objection/overrule, Fryber had reasonable grounds but was not able to give said grounds without being interrupted by a Jury member (who shouldn't have been interrupting in the first place) or somebody else, or was refused to explain.
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ProAVENGERfromLU is not online. ProAVENGERfromLU
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02 Aug 2013 02:19 PM
Oh god, this better not lead to another court case that keeps me up to midnight >.>
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bloxman26 is not online. bloxman26
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02 Aug 2013 02:19 PM
He shouldn't have been interrupted by anyone but the judge.
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Steeler55 is not online. Steeler55
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02 Aug 2013 02:25 PM
Indeed.

Would there be any chance of another trial for Fryber that is pre-arranged with the witnesses/lawyers that each side needs?
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Shadowluigi64 is not online. Shadowluigi64
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02 Aug 2013 03:21 PM
didn't a good amount of us agree that fry would be a lot better without a lawyer during the first day of this trial

then the second day when he doesn't have a trial everyone flips out

you guys are a real joy
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fryber11 is not online. fryber11
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02 Aug 2013 08:55 PM
BAWMP
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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02 Aug 2013 09:00 PM
im pretty sure there was a recess

~UAF2013~
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ShatteredRealites120 is not online. ShatteredRealites120
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02 Aug 2013 09:05 PM
It's also quite a claim to say I'm biased because I overruled all of many Fryber's objections. Where I overruled 1/2 objections from Bloxman.

That is an absolutely ridiculous assumption.

And how the Jury being biased is weird, cause none of them were there when it happened, and most know nothing of fryber.

~UAF2013~
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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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02 Aug 2013 09:10 PM
As a neutral party and Foreman/Jury member,

There was absolutely nothing presented during the entire case that would've made us even have a slight thought about Fryber being innocent/Blox being guilty. There was little discussion as to what verdict we were going to agree upon, because no one felt that Fryber presented any reasonable evidence, aside from asking pointless questions that led no where.

IF for some reason Fryber were exiled or demoted like five ranks down, then we'd probably agree that action of such magnitude was too harsh. Though in reality the punishment was just a demotion >ONE< rank down.

You're expected to know what a High Rank should do.

If there's any true fact towards your statement of Blox being "biased", it's that no one generally reports acts of admin abuse and such unless they hurt them personally in some manner. Most cases go unreported and are left alone, because people fear to report them. Perhaps this shows off as a bit of "bias", because Bloxman was presented proof of your breaking on their laws? I don't know.

But regardless, you're still expected to know what a High Rank should do.

It's fair.

Get off me.
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darkhydragin100 is not online. darkhydragin100
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02 Aug 2013 09:10 PM
I want my UAF rank back.
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Diggy25 is not online. Diggy25
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02 Aug 2013 09:11 PM
This is an all-around weird happening, and fry should get a 2nd chance; this court system isn't working, there needs to be another option to resort to.
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Masterlock is not online. Masterlock
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02 Aug 2013 09:12 PM
Everything all of you are saying is overruled.
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