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Re: How do Libertarians support their view?

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mew96 is not online. mew96
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01 Aug 2013 11:36 AM
Before the U.S. Constitution, there were the Articles of Confederation.

From what I have studied from the Articles, it is practically a Libertarians Heaven, except it did not work at all.

The United States was in major debt and it did not allow people to advance at all, as opposed to Capitalism.

The idea of the Articles turned out the same way as how Communism did, it looked amazing on paper, and it seemed pretty nice, but it failed to account for many things such as taxing for public services and such.

I know Libertarians have an argument against this and I want to hear it, because this logic just seems to simple for me.

Mind enlighting me on the subject?
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mangosteak is not online. mangosteak
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01 Aug 2013 11:44 AM
how does communism fail to tax and bring public services?

do you even know anything about communism? any of its history?

dont talk out your asd
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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01 Aug 2013 11:53 AM
the idea of the United States was originally was to be a 'league of friendship' among the states. Before the constitution, it was the states that made alliances and agreements with other countries.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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01 Aug 2013 12:27 PM
@Mangosteak

LEARN TO READ!

I said The Articles of Confederation.

Communism failed to account that greed existed, and that it expected that everyone work for others needs while others did on theirs. Communism expected that the Government took care of everyone's needs.

Dont act like an idiot.
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SuperMarioIsAwesome is not online. SuperMarioIsAwesome
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01 Aug 2013 12:28 PM
@mew

No country has ever practiced communism
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mangosteak is not online. mangosteak
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01 Aug 2013 12:31 PM
well maybe im talking about where you mentioned communism, dont get mad at me for responding to your post.

lol, socialism actually has brought people out of poverty. communism doesnt have a government, nor has it ever been attempted, so...

Dont act like an idiot.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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01 Aug 2013 12:35 PM
@pepper0

And while they did that, it failed.

The Articles were a manifestation of that idea, and it failed.

America had to reevaluate its idea as an actual single country, not as a coalition of countries.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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01 Aug 2013 12:37 PM
@mangosteak,

I am Pro-Socialism.
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mangosteak is not online. mangosteak
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01 Aug 2013 12:41 PM
then start acting like it and learn that communism is the endgoal of socialism
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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01 Aug 2013 05:05 PM
You see the Articles of Confederation to be "libertarian heaven", that is a fallacy in and of itself. the Libertarian hands-off approach is to state that we dont know what individuals want, that is determined by the individual. To defend your decisions, a government must be implemented. The Articles of Confederation didn't get that done, so they established the Constitution which became more effective in defending the rights of the people.
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RubiksCubix is not online. RubiksCubix
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01 Aug 2013 05:09 PM
'Libertarians' can very. They want to minimize government existence, only to what is necessary.

There are many types of libertarians, including libertarian socialists, so I encourage you to do some research.

I am a civil-libertarian leaning conservative.
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mangosteak is not online. mangosteak
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01 Aug 2013 06:27 PM
no one calls "libertarian socialists" that anymore.

the word Libertarian was actually made up by a socialist, but then the right stole it like they always do (steal stuff)

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Corridan is not online. Corridan
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01 Aug 2013 07:23 PM
so was the word racist it was invented by a jew socialist commie to slander his opponents
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mangosteak is not online. mangosteak
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01 Aug 2013 08:47 PM
wowie zowie you learn something every day
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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02 Aug 2013 08:33 AM
Communism is not the end goal of Socialism.

That is like saying that Anarchy is the end goal of Conservism.

They are on the same side, one is more radical than the other.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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02 Aug 2013 08:35 AM
Sorry, FACISM is the endgoal of Conservism, Anarchy is on the same side as Communism.
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mew96 is not online. mew96
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02 Aug 2013 08:36 AM
Government and the people must stay equal.
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grapejumbo123 is not online. grapejumbo123
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02 Aug 2013 08:41 AM
Socialists also steal stuff. Except they steal it from a hardworking single mother with two children who works 9 hours a day, 6 days a week, every week of the year with a day off for Christmas, and a day off for New Year's just to give it to some lazy unemployed man who sits around all day watching television and receives HIS paycheck in the mail as an envelope stamped 'Government Welfare'.

Mew, I think you mean 'Conservatism' not 'Conservism'.
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pepper0 is not online. pepper0
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02 Aug 2013 08:44 AM
lololol

Socialism makes thieves feel good about themselves.
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grapejumbo123 is not online. grapejumbo123
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02 Aug 2013 08:45 AM
My goodness, the ignorance. Fascism is not the end goal of American Conservatism, as I see it. The Republican Party believes in Supply-Side economics, a free market and free enterprise system with less taxes and less government regulation. Fascism is a socialistic state because the government works hand-in-hand with the private sector. The Republican Party believes in a smaller government whose main duty is to protect the American people and its values. The Republican Party adheres to the Constitution, and a Fascist state would not.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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02 Aug 2013 08:47 AM
haha americans and their private property
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grapejumbo123 is not online. grapejumbo123
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02 Aug 2013 08:47 AM
It would be easier to look at this more of a spectrum of the amount of government power, than the typical right-left spectrum, because there are some parts where communism and fascism are the same, but are still portrayed as being polar opposites.
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grapejumbo123 is not online. grapejumbo123
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02 Aug 2013 08:47 AM
Mah, are you British?
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coolmanownz is not online. coolmanownz
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02 Aug 2013 09:20 AM
Supply side economics sounds great but it rarely, if ever works.
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mangosteak is not online. mangosteak
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02 Aug 2013 09:53 AM
"Communism is not the end goal of Socialism."

The Marxist conception of socialism is that of a specific historical phase that will displace capitalism and precede communism. The major characteristics of socialism (particularly as conceived by Marx and Engels after the Paris Commune of 1871) are that the proletariat will control the means of production through a workers' state erected by the workers in their interests. Economic activity would still be organised through the use of incentive systems and social classes would still exist, but to a lesser and diminishing extent than under capitalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

That is like saying that Anarchy is the end goal of Conservism.

Anarchy is communism, learn your terms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

Socialists also steal stuff. Except they steal it from a hardworking single mother with two children who works 9 hours a day, 6 days a week, every week of the year with a day off for Christmas, and a day off for New Year's just to give it to some lazy unemployed man who sits around all day watching television and receives HIS paycheck in the mail as an envelope stamped 'Government Welfare'.
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Typical ignorance.

Socialism promises work to all, if someone refused to work for whatever reason, they would not receive the public benefits since they did not work to contribute them, however the elderly and disabled would considering they are disabled.
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