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| 31 Jul 2013 08:06 PM |
I hope this will not erupt into a religious flame war or anything. Wether you are irreligious or religious, and know about the sin concept of Christianity as you are born with sin.....
You are wrong.
You have been talking to the wrong Christians or read the wrong articles on Wikipedia because we are not born with sins, we are born with the ability to sin because we have free will.
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| 31 Jul 2013 08:13 PM |
Like most other things in the universe, negative is the lack of positive. For example, light and dark, heat and cold...
Dark and cold don't really exist, they are just lack of light and heat. |
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| 31 Jul 2013 08:37 PM |
you look like a cardinal
-=Praetor Firearm2112, 2ic of The Millinarian Empire=- |
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xc6Alt29
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| 31 Jul 2013 08:41 PM |
"Your religion is wrong because I said so!"
You sound so arrogant right now |
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faker247
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| 31 Jul 2013 09:17 PM |
| The idea that you are somehow "bad" unless you follow a certain set of rules or guidelines set in the bronze age is childish. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 07:43 AM |
@xc6
its not arrogance
its the truth
@faker
you're right
that's not what the concept of humanity's sin is |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:07 AM |
I quite disagree. I believe we are all born sinners because of the fact that we all originally came from one man, Adam, and because he sinned, he was subject to spiritual and physical death.
Romans 5:12: “Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned”
Acts 17:26 “And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth”
We are by nature, children of sin.
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453654
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:07 AM |
Well if we look at it philosophically, nothing is good or bad. They're all just made up by someone to stop us doing certain things.
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:09 AM |
| Ah Grapejumbo, cherrypicking verses, I see. This is why I hate theological arguments. Same ideas, same arguments, same methods. No positive outcome, no real development, just another day gone by for both sides. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:13 AM |
| Then you don't have to be here. If you disagree with religion, no need to make it worse for others, eh? Does your libertarian view affect your view on Religion? Perhaps we should start a new thread for politics. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:15 AM |
I'm not saying that. If we do enter into a debate though, we'll cherrypick verses, needlessly flame eachother and argue the whole time, Neither side will change its stance. Pretty much pointless .
Of course, if you checked my group, you'd know my rank in there is CONSERVATIVE. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:20 AM |
That's just the thing you see. If you think that you can convince people enough to change what's in the scripture, you're mistaken. This isn't some Word document that you're editing: "oh, that verse doesn't quite fit, let's scratch it out". The bible is different. It holds the truth, and like I said, it was able to prove that humans are born sinners.
Also, Libertarians are a mixed group, and I wasn't surprised when you said that you were a conservative-leaning libertarian, but you must be liberal enough or you would've just straight-out been a republican. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:22 AM |
>sin
because some grand pervert in the sky is watching everything you do...
whats next the 'all loving' pervert punishes you infinitely for a finite crime? |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:23 AM |
Thing about the Bible is, it's a jumble of "truths" and lies. It's gone through 2 millenniums of war, disease, ideas, translations, misinterpretations and so on. I don't think you should be so sure on calling the Bible the "truth".
I'm only in the Libertarian group, because it's pretty much not filled with a bunch of kiddies who think they're experts in politics like pretty much any other group. |
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brett0331
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:27 AM |
| isn't the whole point of Christianity that Jesus died to absolve humanity of the original sin and that by accepting jesus you're forgiven of all sins thereafter? |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:28 AM |
| Are you saying I'm not an expert? Also, the bible is closer to the truth than listening to you. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:30 AM |
>the bible is closer to the truth than listening to you.
truth is subjective to one's outlook on life... |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:31 AM |
| Really? The Bible was written 2000 thousands years ago. It's gone through war, other religions, conflicting ideas and morals, rise of nations and political conflict. It's been used as a sword and as a shield. Some verses will directly contradict others. My, fairly moderate views are now less truthful than this book which has been changed perhaps thousands of times. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:33 AM |
No, that isn't the whole point. The point is that you must accept the fact that humans are sinners, and that Jesus Christ not only died for our sins, but rose three days after his death. You can find Buddha's remains, you can find Mohammad's remains, but you won't find Jesus' remains. He was able to overcome death, which shows he is the true God. By accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, and also confessing your sins and repenting of your sins, you can receive salvation and eternal life.
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:36 AM |
Oh God. "And then Jesus dropped from the sky and attacked the little boy. He is Jesus, the almighty crusader." - Bible
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:36 AM |
Here is your thinking: the Bible is just some sort of object and is subject to change just like anything else.
Well then, show me the remains of an ancient bible, and then let's compare the scripture to see any differences, okay?
Also, if you think that YOUR thinking is more logical than the whole bible in that has lead millions of people around the world to finding God, then you're insane. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:37 AM |
| oddly enough apart from the bible we can find no trace of jesus at all... |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:38 AM |
| I don't know about you, but I'm glad I'm not some of those people at my school who are atheistic, and they seem so depressed. I continually try to help them, but apparently liberal stubbornness prevails. |
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:39 AM |
"Jesus then attacked the young woman and violated here face, for he is entitled to all" - Bible
"Jesus attacked the buddhist monk for Buddhists are pagans and pagans must be slaughtered." - Bible
"I am Jesus. Worship me, or I will violate you with my cross." - Jesus himself
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| 01 Aug 2013 08:39 AM |
| Okay, so now you're questioning whether Jesus existed. Well, of course you can't find the remains. Jesus Christ rose from the dead and defeated death. That's why you won't find his body as you would to someone like Buddha. |
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