xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:36 PM |
Because it is the mother's choice.
Because the mother is responsible for all aspects of the foetus' life before birth. |
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Aikai
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:37 PM |
us guys dont need to deal with this
we dont shoot babies out of our d!ck.
so us MEN dont need to worry
~did i rustle your jimmies~ |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:38 PM |
"us guys dont need to deal with this"
But our wives will
And possibly my mother
That's like saying I shouldn't care about black rights because I'm not black
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Aikai
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:38 PM |
well-
if u put it that way
~did i rustle your jimmies~ |
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:38 PM |
>"Because it is the mother's choice." That argument can be used to justify anything...
>"Because the mother is responsible for all aspects of the foetus' life before birth." Actually many of the fetus' we abort can survive apart from the mother. Hence, a'bortion survivors. |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:40 PM |
"That argument can be used to justify anything..."
Which is why I posted my second argument.
"Actually many of the fetus' we abort can survive apart from the mother."
Whether it can survive is irrelevant if it is attached to the mother, because the mother, whether the foetus can survive or not, is still taking responsibility. |
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:43 PM |
>Whether it can survive is irrelevant if it is attached to the mother," Then unattach it.
>"because the mother, whether the foetus can survive or not, is still taking responsibility." So if a mentally r'etarded kid grabbed your hand and wouldn't let go you have the right to kill him because it's his fault for being too stupid to know what he's doing?
Why not just ask someone for assistance to remove his grip rather than killing him for simply being mentally ill?
You put the responsibility on something with no ability to understand that responsibility. That's simply illogical. |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:45 PM |
"So if a mentally r'etarded kid grabbed your hand and wouldn't let go you have the right to kill him because it's his fault for being too stupid to know what he's doing?"
Depends. Is this child yours? If so, you still cannot kill him because a born human is self aware, which is my second argument. Foetuses cannot qualify as individuals because they are not self aware. |
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Boomkin
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:46 PM |
I'm sorry, I know this isn't the place for this, but
>foetus |
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:47 PM |
>"If so, you still cannot kill him because a born human is self aware, which is my second argument." Completely false. Every aspect of our consciousness is developed in the brain. A mentally ill person can easily lose their self awareness or at least lose their understanding of what it is, making it useless.
>"Foetuses cannot qualify as individuals because they are not self aware." That's a strange qualification you have there. If someone is mentally ill and cannot recognize themselves, which many can't, then they are no longer individuals and can be discarded.
Sick. |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:53 PM |
"Completely false. Every aspect of our consciousness is developed in the brain."
Your brain doesn't stop developing after you are born if you haven't noticed And evidence supports my theory
"A mentally ill person can easily lose their self awareness or at least lose their understanding of what it is, making it useless."
Which is why registered disabled people are granted less rights than other individuals?
"If someone is mentally ill and cannot recognize themselves, which many can't, then they are no longer individuals and can be discarded. "
Actually then that person's responsibility is taken by a carer, if you believe in euthanasia then yes it could be possible for that person to be killed.
Logic is not vomit; don't attempt to demoralize me |
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| 28 Jul 2013 01:57 PM |
>"Your brain doesn't stop developing after you are born if you haven't noticed And evidence supports my theory"
Not sure if that's red herring or you've honestly forgotten your original point...
>"Which is why registered disabled people are granted less rights than other individuals?" Except they're not? They have all their rights, they just are unable to express them so they're taken care of. Their right to life is completely protected.
>"Actually then that person's responsibility is taken by a carer, if you believe in euthanasia then yes it could be possible for that person to be killed."
So you support the euthanizing of mentally ill people... Well, at least you're consistent.
But if that's the case, then we've reached an impasse and there's no longer a point in arguing. |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:04 PM |
"Not sure if that's red herring or you've honestly forgotten your original point..."
A reason to support my original post isn't a red herring
"Except they're not?"
Yes, they are. You have much more limited freedom as you are under supervision of your caretaker.
Their situation is different to foetuses because of my first argument: that foetuses are physically dependant on the mother in the way that the mother cannot physically choose to disband it without a likely chance of death: the foetus is a parasite.
Looking at your pro-life argument, an individual DNA isn't relevant, as cancer cells posess their own individual DNA as well, in fact, they hold in excess of 200 chromosomes, whereas humans generally only have 46. |
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:09 PM |
>"that foetuses are physically dependant on the mother" Again, they can live independently from the mother. Some of these a'bortion survivors were given off as babies and raised in like a normal baby because they are babies. They didn't need the mother.
>"in the way that the mother cannot physically choose to disband it without a likely chance of death:" Except many of the times they can.
>"the foetus is a parasite." You just jumped from one thing to the next without any supporting evidence.
>"DNA isn't relevant, as cancer cells posess their own individual DNA as well, in fact, they hold in excess of 200 chromosomes, whereas humans generally only have 46."
You really did not read a word of my argument, did you? You're starting to simply be childish, so I'm not sure if I'm going to continue on if you keep on with "arguments" like that. And if you try to push that stupidity again without actually looking at my original argument, I'm definitely done here. |
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Varese2
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:10 PM |
"Because it is the mother's choice."
why ? |
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Tdc88
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:11 PM |
| i think no one should have children |
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:11 PM |
| This could all be avoided with some effect 'ceptives and planning :) |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:12 PM |
"This could all be avoided with some effect 'ceptives and planning :)"
Repe, pre-eclampsia
""Because it is the mother's choice."
why ?"
Second line in the OP |
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:14 PM |
>Repe, pre eclamp
In that case I wouldn't know what to do,and that's one of the main arguments for this. |
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:18 PM |
>"In that case I wouldn't know what to do,and that's one of the main arguments for this."
Yes, but the issue is, people use things like r'ape to justify allowing a'bortion in all cases, which is obviously an illogical jump.
However, most of the times when people are r'aped they taken to the hospital in which can be i'njected with stuff to prevent a p'regnancy.
Under the very rare condition that the r'aper captures you and doesn't let you go to the hospital for several months, then I could understand considering an a'bortion. |
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:20 PM |
I researched a little,and if the victims get immediate medical treatment they can remove the,um,spam. I heard there was a way to let another woman give birt to the baby. |
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Milbert23
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:22 PM |
| don't care kill them anyway |
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Czechian
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:25 PM |
| I bet you support 4th trimester aborts too |
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xc6Alt28
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| 28 Jul 2013 02:36 PM |
"Yes, but the issue is, people use things like r'ape to justify allowing a'bortion in all cases, which is obviously an illogical jump."
You haven't explained how or why it is illogical
"I bet you support 4th trimester aborts too"
Yep
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