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| 25 Jul 2013 10:51 PM |
| They conquered the southernmost part of China at one point and used it as a trade buffer with Asia. |
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bud390
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| 25 Jul 2013 10:51 PM |
| @ corridan he said up to china. Afghanistan borders china |
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| 25 Jul 2013 10:53 PM |
The reason they didn't bother with China is because at this time up until the Crusades Arabs were more focused with advancing their sciences and philosophy than warfare.
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Corridan
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| 25 Jul 2013 10:55 PM |
| he was a berber from the zenata tribe? most historians seem to agree on this and those that do say he was a arab say he was from some beodouin tribe |
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| 25 Jul 2013 10:58 PM |
He was an Arab from Damascus in Syria.
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:02 PM |
| no... out of all the theories of his origin i have never heard that one and i think you just might be confusing on where he was buried |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:02 PM |
The Arabs came first in the year AD 711 to Spain and conquered Toledo and Córdoba. It took only seven years and the hispanic peninsula belonged to the Arabs except a small part in the north. During this time the Arabian Spain were called Al-Andalus and Córdoba was its centre.
Christians learned the Arabian language, therefor those Christians in Al-Andalus were given the Arabian expression “Musta’Ribun”. This was the reason that the Arabian language became also the language of Non-Arab’s in Spain. In spite of the safety, which the Non-Arabs in Arabian Spain had, did many convert to the Arabian belief and became the same rights as the native Arabs.
The Arabs brought with them their knowledge and know-how, which was very helpful for the country’s development. Their irrigation system for example made the fields fertile, which raised agriculture to the highest standard in europe at that time. Plants were imported, such as oranges from Persia just to name one. Another important aspect for the economy was the export of leather, ceramic, paper and material, which had been luxury products in Europe, because they hadn’t had the superior knowledge of the Arabs at the time. There were not only important Islamic scientists, but also the Non-Arabian scientists were supported on the Iberian peninsula.
What the Muslims on the Iberian Peninsula had so laboriously developed, was unfortunately damaged by the reconquest. In AD 722 the Muslims suffered a defeat in Covadonga, which is considered the beginning of the reconquest. Outside of Asturias further Christian realms were formed, which were expanding more and more to the south. When the Christian realms in the north noticed the fact that the Islamic area was weakened by discrepancies among the Muslims, they saw their chance come for the reconquest.
In the year AD 1085 the Christians took Toledo again, which signified an enormous defeat for the Muslims. Since that time the Muslims had to hand over more and more areas. After years of war the Muslims had to surrender Granada in 1492; thereby the reconquest was said to be completed. With the defeat of the Islamic rule the high scientific levels created by the Muslims could not be maintained, which had catastrophic consequences for the country.
The spain of the Muslims changed completely in the hands of the Christians. They were not capable of keeping the irrigation systems in good condition not to speak of constructing new irrigation canals, so that the once fertile land became deserted. The Christian conquerors were also not able to achieve something similar in scientific areas as their hated enemies, the Muslims. The Universities were run-down and the cities impoverished, so that the country lost its attraction.
The new rulers tried first to hold on to the coexistence of the religions like the Islamic model. Thus for instance the free practice of their faith was contractually assured to the Muslims after the defeat of Granada. What had, theoretically been fixed on the paper, however could not been found in practice. Under Isabella’s and Ferdinand’s order Ximénez had to force the Muslim population to convert and the Arabic language as colloquial language was forbidden. When the Muslims refused to comply, innumerable Muslims were killed and the mosques were set on fire. The government reacted to this resistance by setting a deadline, by which they either had to convert to the Christian faith or to leave the country, leaving all their property to the church. In fact they only had the choice between baptism and death, because they were only allowed to leave the country by a payment of a certain sum.
711 AD was the Umayyad Caliphate which was Arab and based around Syria and Kufa in Iraq. |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:09 PM |
"711 AD was the Umayyad Caliphate which was Arab and based around Syria and Kufa in Iraq." most historians agree that he was a berber as we have arab and egyptian writers and historians from the middle ages stating such yes the umayyad caliphate was headquarted in syria but extend to all of the mahgreb, and thanks to tariq's conquest to southern spain as well |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:11 PM |
| in fact the only reason he went to damascus was becuase musa replaced him as the governor of hispania with his son and the damascus called him and musa back to settle it |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:12 PM |
Most medieval historians give little or no information about Tariq's origins or nationality. Ibn 'Abd al-Hakam, Ibn al-Athir, Al-Tabari and Ibn Khaldun do not say anything, and have been followed in this by modern works such as the Encyclopedia of Islam and Cambridge History of Islam. There are three different accounts given by a few Arabic histories which all seem to date from between 400 and 500 years after Tariq's time. These are that: He was a Persian from Hamadan. He was an Arab member, or freedman of the Sadif clan of the Kindah. He was a Berber from North Africa. Even here there are several different versions, and modern workers who accept a Berber origin tend to settle on one version or another without giving any reason for so doing. |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:20 PM |
"He was a Persian from Hamadan. He was an Arab member, or freedman of the Sadif clan of the Kindah. He was a Berber from North Africa. Even here there are several different versions, and modern workers who accept a Berber origin tend to settle on one version or another without giving any reason for so doing." yah i think that is what it said on the wikipidia lets look into the sources though all that claim he was a berber are arab ibn khaldun and ibn idhari and idrisi who is the earliest reference of his origin (that he is from the zenata) maqarri is one of the oldest ones (being from the 16th century) and is the only one i believe who thinks that he is a persian the claim that he is from some bedouin tribe is from a kurdish writer that also suggests that he is a berber (this is the second oldest, being from the 13th century) |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:23 PM |
the claim that he is from some bedouin tribe is from a kurdish writer that also suggests that he is a berber (this is the second oldest, being from the 13th century) --- Who said this? |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:26 PM |
the wikipidia you got your sources from? ibn khallikan, a kurdish scholar from the kurdish tribe of khallikan apparently
"vol. 3 p. 476 of English translation (which also refers to him as a Berber)." |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:27 PM |
| specifically he states him as a member of the sadif clan of kindah and also a berber |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:29 PM |
| That's funny because everything I've read about him says he's an Arab. |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:37 PM |
yah it says that on the wikipidia it also states he is a arab but i assumed he was a kurdish person as his name is also stated in kurdish, his last name is said to be a kurdish tribe, there were 7 sources stating he was kurdish and he is born in what i assume is a kurdish city (irbil) but hey you are the one from iraq so i assume you know more about that than me
also i would like to say it's funny because out of everything i have read i have never seen tariq ibn ziyad said to be a arab from damascus |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:42 PM |
The last name being the same as the tribe or place of birth is an Iraqi Arab practice not a Kurdish one.
Irbil was originally called Arbaira in Arabic until it was given to the Kurds. Kurds originate from the north west of Iran and immigrated into as-suleimaniyya then moved north into the mountains in ancient times.
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:49 PM |
The earliest accounts of the Kurds in Iraq are (assuming these are Kurds) by the late Sumerians who described them as immigrants from Iran who lived a nomadic life and were not very advanced in anything.
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:57 PM |
| it is said that the saladin is a kurd? |
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| 25 Jul 2013 11:59 PM |
Saladin was born in the same city as Saddam Hussein so I doubt it. The only reason people say he was Kurdish is because he was apart of the Zengid dynasty which he betrayed anyway. |
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| 26 Jul 2013 07:11 AM |
| Saladin was good manipulator. |
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| 26 Jul 2013 12:13 PM |
| Maybe the best navy at the time, but military? heck no. America beat them back, and so did every other country that britain controlled. Britain didnt do much in world war 2 either. it was all soviets. if you have to give someone credit for winning world war 2, it was the soviets. and the french..........JKJK xD |
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| 26 Jul 2013 02:16 PM |
| Abbasanid Caliphate, Roman empire. America |
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