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STFMAN is not online. STFMAN
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25 Jul 2013 12:47 PM
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 12:50 PM
http://www.roblox.com/Mother-of-god-item?id=67129988
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:29 PM
Imaginary beings are incapable of love.
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 01:30 PM
nope

there capable, even if fake
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 01:31 PM
also Jesus Christ was real, historically and holy for me.

You probably think not even a guy with the name Jesus Christ existed, which is odd, since there is historical evidence proving so.

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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:36 PM
What historical evidence?
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 01:37 PM
Secular historical evidence still states that a man named Jesus Christ was crucified.

How would an atheist deny SECULAR HISTORICAL evidence of Jesus Christ?
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:38 PM
What secular historical evidence.

Im not denying anything because you have failed to provide the evidence I asked for.
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 01:39 PM
I am going to say it again.

There is secular historical evidence of a man named Jesus Christ who was crucified.

Look it up on the internet. that's what it's for.
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:40 PM
Look, if you can't provide even a single document or source you are going to make yourself look like an idiot.
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 01:41 PM
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/45841
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:43 PM
Isnt that funny.

None of the historians mentioned lived at the time of jesus, only after.

Its as if there were no historians at the time of jesus.
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Redtalon65 is not online. Redtalon65
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25 Jul 2013 01:45 PM
No historians in Judea, apart from Roman captors who recorded names of criminals, were there. The Jewish people were not one for recording crimes.
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:49 PM
But even before jesus was suposedly convicted of a crime, he went around performing miracles. Isnt that something note worthy you would think that maybe one educated person could have written down.

Thallos is a really bad source because first none of his original work never survived so we have only fragments of copies of his works that only interpret that there was a darkness, which nobody else seemed to mention at the time.
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:54 PM
Pliny the younger is a bad source because using his letters as evidence because he called christians "christians of christ" doesn't really prove there was an actual person called jesus. It only shows by that time the myth of jesus has spread around.

Same for most of the other people mentioned in the article. Mentioning jesus when talking about christians is hardly evidence of a physical man

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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 01:57 PM
Josephus's account is known to be tampered by christians centuries after. A good article to read up on how christians inserted their own bs into his work
http://www.truthbeknown.com/josephus.htm
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Corridan is not online. Corridan
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25 Jul 2013 02:06 PM
i thought it was a common consensus among historians that jesus did existed

then again you arent a real historian and dont have a phd in anything
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 02:07 PM
Actually you are wrong on the part of there being a consensus.

Its just that people assumed there was a historical jesus.
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453654 is not online. 453654
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25 Jul 2013 02:10 PM
Well I'll trust historians over the ramblings over an atheist trying to disprove historical Christ because he is anti-thiest, thank you very much.
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 02:12 PM
What historians are you trusting?

Where do you get your evidence of a historical christ when there were NO HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY ALIVE
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453654 is not online. 453654
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25 Jul 2013 02:20 PM
Tacitus and Pliny the Younger and Suetonis all make references. We have Jewish scholars and historians which you'll probably say don't count, so meh. Historical Christ is considered real among most scholars and historians.
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 02:29 PM
Like I said earlier they make references 50-100 years after he supposedly died.

And I already pointed out how your jewish historian josephus's work has been tampered with.

Please read my posts before bringing up the same people I just proved were invalid.
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wastefultreeman is not online. wastefultreeman
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25 Jul 2013 02:33 PM
Jesus Christ is considered real to a majority to historians and I know atheists that completely believe Jesus was a real person, but the difference is, is that they think he was just a human, a regular human being.. I, for one, am a Christian, but I won't judge you for not being one.
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faker247 is not online. faker247
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25 Jul 2013 02:36 PM
Is there any evidence there was a real person though?
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Corridan is not online. Corridan
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25 Jul 2013 02:36 PM
"What historians are you trusting?

Where do you get your evidence of a historical christ when there were NO HISTORICAL ACCOUNTS WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY ALIVE?"
as the numbers guy says tacitus and all those jews and all those romans those writings were all well into the years that jesus supposedly lived yet we have the histories of alexander the great and buddha well past 300 years after their deaths yet no one disputes their existence
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