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Re: So I was pressing the "Delete" key...

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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 04:50 PM
I was making a GUI that had a bunch of features, and had the script at about 400 lines so far. I was in Play Solo mode because I usually prefer this mode over edit mode. At this point, I had a search box that would do obvious things if you pressed backspace, enter, or a letter, and I decided, "Hey, why not add delete key functionality as well?" So I put a line in this script that printed the byte value of every key pressed. I go and start moving around in the game to make sure the script is printing the values of characters like w, a, s, and d, and it works, so I go ahead and press the "Delete" key. Nothing happens... I sit there for a moment or two thinking "What...?" and start to try to spin around with w, a, s, and d again. None of those are printed. I look over in the workspace and I had deleted my unsaved script... Well, the sensible thing(if you're not aware of this bug) would be to press Ctrl+Z to undo the delete, right? Go type a 400 line script, delete it and try to undo the deletion in Play Solo mode. You'll rage.

Um Sorcus... Y UNDO NO WORK IN PLAY SOLO? And that was the beginning of my day...
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1waffle1 is not online. 1waffle1
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13 Jul 2013 04:52 PM
your fault for scripting in play solo
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 04:53 PM
Never said I wasn't an idiot
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dekkonot is not online. dekkonot
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13 Jul 2013 04:54 PM
You're doing it wrong.

~ Linguam latinam est optimum ~
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 04:54 PM
Under no circumstances should you ever write a script in Play Solo. Writing it on roblox's IDE at all is already ludicrous.
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 04:56 PM
But seriously... Something as fundamental as Undo should work in Play Solo. It's not only meant for testing.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 04:59 PM
"It's not only meant for testing."

Yes it is.
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 05:01 PM
People sometimes prefer Play Solo over Edit for building, such as myself. In addition to that, Undo is also something that can be used in testing if you don't want to have to reload your place again.
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bohdan77 is not online. bohdan77
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13 Jul 2013 05:01 PM
Edit has autosave. Which is also a must now.
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 05:02 PM
I can't stand Edit mode because I can't move around with my character.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 05:07 PM
"People sometimes prefer Play Solo over Edit for building, such as myself."

Doesn't matter. Play Solo is meant for testing and it's not anyone else's fault if you choose to do something else with it.
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 05:10 PM
@Arceus: I'm sorry for getting used to Build mode before it was deleted as a shortcut to patching an exploit.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 05:25 PM
Your fault here wasn't learning the old way

Your fault was not learning the new way
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MrNicNac is not online. MrNicNac
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13 Jul 2013 05:28 PM
Even if it was your fault - it's still a pretty horrible thing to have happen. I know I can't exactly make up for it, but practice pressing Ctrl+A and Ctrl+C on your work often. It's a fast "auto-save" for keeping your work in the clipboard if you don't want to either A)Save the place or B)Save it some other way.
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 05:37 PM
Thanks for the tip MrNicNac. I'll try to do that, in addition to saving versions of the place. Probably even write a plugin for it.

@Arceus: Building is an art. Art should be completed the most comfortable way possible. I'm comfortable with Play Solo instead of Edit mode -- that's not going to change even if I use Edit mode the rest of my life. Waffle basically called me an idiot -- I laughed because it was true. MrNicNac came in here, despite how stupid my thread was, and gave a helpful suggestion, and I'm happy he did so despite all of the trolling all of you put up with in the Scripters forum. You come here and tell me to get used to the new way. Go try exiting your comfort zone and try to build and script in Play Solo. You're not going to like it no matter how many times you use it.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 05:42 PM
Why in the world would I want to build in a simulated workspace

That's the silliest thing I've heard all day

Also, a lot of my scripts require being run when the player is added so it's not possible to use them during a running game anyway.



I'm not telling you what you should and shouldn't use, I'm telling you that it isn't meant for building so you shouldn't complain when you get undesirable results.
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dekkonot is not online. dekkonot
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13 Jul 2013 05:43 PM
Never. Ever. Ever (get back together) use play solo to build stuff. It's ridiculous.

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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 05:53 PM
@Arceus and dekkonot: Build mode was meant for building, yes? When I switched from Wannabe PBS but failed at it to Play Solo, the only difference was that the character's name was "Player1" and its userId was -1, and also the fact that Play Solo, Start Server, and Start Player worked(they didn't in Build/wannabe PBS mode). Those are the only differences that I have noticed. Basically, Play Solo is Build mode with a little extra functionality , and no confirm to save dialog when you exit it(which isn't a problem considering I publish to ROBLOX or save to file before I exit). Undo does not work in Build mode, just as it doesn't in Play Solo. To shorten this up, Play Solo is better for building than Build mode is. If Play Solo is better for building than the mode meant for building, I don't see a problem with it.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 06:03 PM
"@Arceus and dekkonot: Build mode was meant for building, yes? When I switched from Wannabe PBS but failed at it to Play Solo, the only difference was that the character's name was "Player1" and its userId was -1, and also the fact that Play Solo, Start Server, and Start Player worked(they didn't in Build/wannabe PBS mode). Those are the only differences that I have noticed. Basically, Play Solo is Build mode with a little extra functionality , and no confirm to save dialog when you exit it(which isn't a problem considering I publish to ROBLOX or save to file before I exit). Undo does not work in Build mode, just as it doesn't in Play Solo. To shorten this up, Play Solo is better for building than Build mode is. If Play Solo is better for building than the mode meant for building, I don't see a problem with it."

Who said anything about build mode? You're the only one talking about it. I'm saying that edit mode is for building and play solo is for testing.
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Xnite515 is not online. Xnite515
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13 Jul 2013 06:14 PM
Isn't there the playback button?
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ArbiterOfDeath is not online. ArbiterOfDeath
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13 Jul 2013 06:19 PM
This reminds me of a joke my dad once told to me:

Jesus and Satan have a discussion as to who is the better programmer. This goes on for a few hours until they come to an agreement to hold a contest, with God as the judge.

They sit themselves at their computers and begin. They type furiously, lines of code streaming up the screen, for several hours straight. Seconds before the end of the competition, a bolt of lightning strikes, taking out the electricity. Moments later, the power is restored, and God announces that the contest is over.

He asks Satan to show what he has come up with. Satan is visibly upset, and cries, "I have nothing. I lost it all when the power went out."

"Very well, then," says God, "let us see if Jesus fared any better."

Jesus enters a command, and the screen comes to life in vivid display, the voices of an angelic choir pour forth from the speakers. Satan is astonished.

He stutters, "B-b-but how? I lost everything, yet Jesus' program is intact. How did he do it?"

God smiled all-knowingly, "Jesus saves."
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 06:43 PM
@Arceus: "Who said anything about build mode?"
" I'm telling you that it isn't meant for building so you shouldn't complain when you get undesirable results."
You said that Play Solo isn't meant for building, but it is obviously better than Build mode, you know, the mode named after building.

@Xnite: Doesn't work in Play Solo

@Arbiter: Cool story. "Thanks for the tip MrNicNac. I'll try to do that, in addition to saving versions of the place. Probably even write a plugin for it. " We've already gone over the fact that I'm an idiot, but that doesn't end the fact that the Undo button should work in Play Solo mode.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 06:47 PM
"You said that Play Solo isn't meant for building, but it is obviously better than Build mode, you know, the mode named after building."

But no one is talking about build mode, so why bring it up? You can't justify building in Play Solo by saying that it's better than Build Mode. You're just comparing two things that are both vastly inferior to Edit Mode.
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EchoReaper is not online. EchoReaper
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13 Jul 2013 06:55 PM
@Arceus: I brought it up because build mode is... was... meant for building, and you're telling me that Play Solo, which is the same as Build mode, but with more features, isn't suitable for building.

"two things that are both vastly inferior to Edit Mode."
If by vastly inferior, you're referring to the features that ROBLOX refuses to code properly *cough* Undo button, then you are partially correct, but like I said earlier, building is an art. I'm more comfortable building in Play Solo with my character than I am in Edit mode. I can use Studio in Play Solo. I can use plugins in Play Solo. I can use tools in Play Solo. You can use Studio in Edit mode and plugins in Edit mode, but you can't use tools in Edit mode, and you don't have your character in Edit mode. Calling something inferior is completely wrong. I like to use my character to build, and you don't. That doesn't make it inferior. If features that should work, actually did, then Play Solo would be equal to Edit mode through a building perspective.
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ArceusInator is not online. ArceusInator
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13 Jul 2013 07:02 PM
"which is the same as Build mode"

Not sure where you're getting that from. Really the only thing they have in common is a controllable character.


Edit mode is superior because it can actually save. Play Solo isn't for building, no matter how you look at it, and it lacks many features necessary for building complex games. You can't possibly argue that it's superior to Edit Mode in any notable regard simply because Play Solo is an extension of Edit Mode meant to be used for testing creations, rather than a standalone program.
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