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Re: Why I Don't Think VAK Is As Skilled As Most Think

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iPwner1337 is not online. iPwner1337
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10 Jul 2013 08:26 PM
So, first off, this is just my opinion. Feel free to disagree, Vaktovians, but here's why I think your not all your put up to be. I will admit, Vaktovia is skilled and some smart. But not super-duper-uber skilled.
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1. Healing/Defense Positions At SMO

So at SMO, your all in a group. Now, this is good defending and it works, but to also means if you get hit, your healed right away by anyone nearby. If you're a HR, and your name is shown, you'd be surprised on how fast VACs/VAKs will swarm you to heal you once you get hit, even just a little. Especially with generals.
When RFST raids, and we stay in a group and heal each-other like you do, you guys die off fairly quick.
With defense positions, you are ready for us. You have nothing else to do accept kill us. For a raider, however, he/she has the lesser gun, only effective up to a cretin range, etc. While VAKs/VACs have their area, tons of grenades, different weapons for different ranges, such as a StA-53 for medium-close range, and a VC-32 for longer ranges. (Range Hybrids, I call them.) When defenses are set up inside, they are always a camping position so if a raider doesn't know you're there, you will always die. (I.E Teleporter Camping, Corner Camping, Ladder Camping, etc.)
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2. Weapons

Now, I'm not one of those people who says "OMG OP WEAPONS THEY HAXORS OMG REPORTED AUTO WIN AA NOOBS WE WIN KKTHXBAI", but some of your weapons are OP compared to ours. For example, your VC-32 Vs. Our M98 (Snipers).
M98:
Headshot: 75
Chest: 75
Limb: 50

VC-32:
Headshot: 100
Chest: 75
Limb: 50
(If you don't believe me on this, go test it out)

The very fact that you have the power to 1 hit KO us from a VERY long distance; that is unfair. We can't 1 hit KO from a very long distance for 2 reasons. One, it only does 75 damage. Second, our aiming courser is WAY more blurry. Long range combat is very hard. It's possible, just very hard. And if your a VAK, typing that comment on how it's not a big deal, let's see you gp up aginst a VC-32 at long range with a M98. Not easy.
Other weapons include the minigun that can shoot grenades, The RG Halo Sword, the StA-53 which has a shotgun, bigger clip, and faster fire rate. (With barely less damage; making the StA-53 better).
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3. Spawns
VAK/VACs spawns are set up very OPly. (Is that a word?) And I'm counting penders as VACs for simplicity. They are set up so you basically almost always have to fight the person you killed again.
For example, if you kill a Vaktovian from the cliff spawn and head to the gate, you will be cut off by him from ether the VAK base thing, or from near the tank. This means we are basically fighting 2 VAKs.
If I kill a VAC from the cliff spawn, and head towards the raider base, I will be cut off and have to face him again.
If I kill a VAC from the raider base and jump off the cliff thing to go egg jump/stack in, I will be cut off by a VAC from the jeep spawn. You can't win.
Because of this, you end of killing a whole small server near your spawn and have low health or near low health from going up against 5 v 1 or so. Then, 3 VACs rush you; you kill them. Next, a VAK comes, you kill him. By now you have low health. 1 VAC and a VAK rush you; killing you.
They got full health on each death; so really. Who has the skill in this scenario? The raider, because be basically killed 11 VAKs/VACs in total.
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4. VACs
VAK hasn't lost a defense in a LONG time (Besides to RFST). The last time they lost was probably during the FC war. Yet, when you go into a server, there aren't that many VAKs. So how do they do it? VACs.
VACs basically are always at SMO, even when a VAK isn't. They're not as skilled, but with so many, they can be overwhelming, even to a skilled raider. VAKs then use them as meat shields while they shoot the raider maybe twice and think they are good for holding them back. Without VACs, VAK would lose a lot of raids. And don't get me wrong; it's not a bad thing at all to have VACs. From a VAK's point of view, they are great. Strength in numbers, as they say. But it just blinds some people of VAK's true skill.
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5. Final Battles
In Vaktovia, final battles are fought by the clan's "Champions". They are arguably some of the most skilled players on ROBLOX. But because of this, they win all their final battles. Why not select random people from certain ranks? Because VAK wants their best of the best, which is understandable. But if you think about it, that's why they are un-defeated. Because of the Champions; not the other members. For example, VAK could lose 100 raids to RFST. RFST could lose 10 raids to VAK. (If our base construction would hurry up >_>) But if VAK's champions beat RFST in the final battle, VAK would therefore be proclaimed "more skilled" then RFST, even though RFST won more raids by a lot.
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I think that's all. Now, some of these things are not a bad thing, like VACs and VAK's Champions for final battles. But again, it just blinds some of their true skill.
I'm going to get a lot of hate about this forum in the comments by Vaktovians, I assume.
I will argue/debate any of these topics with you.

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ShatteredQuantum is not online. ShatteredQuantum
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10 Jul 2013 08:27 PM
tl;dr
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iPwner1337 is not online. iPwner1337
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10 Jul 2013 08:28 PM
And the StA-53 is more accurate.

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iPwner1337 is not online. iPwner1337
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10 Jul 2013 08:29 PM
@Shattered;
I don't really care if you read it or not. It's too long, so you didn't read it, implying you don't have the time to or you don't want to take the time to, yet you take time to comment "tl;dr".
Great logic.

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ShadowSTR is not online. ShadowSTR
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10 Jul 2013 08:30 PM
Some of this is stupid( about 95% ) some isn't.

Some people hype Vaktovians more than what they are, some think too poorly of them
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TheIrishPenguin is not online. TheIrishPenguin
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10 Jul 2013 08:30 PM
That's nice, but I like to think we're all skilled, some more than others.

While it's true that most VAK are secluded to only SMO's weapons, and they're quite good with them, other VAKs that branch off into other groups get the run-off of other universal weapons such as RCL, wARC, and ARSENL.

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spongipuffle is not online. spongipuffle
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10 Jul 2013 08:30 PM
your sniper aiming courser is way better than ours,
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iC7G is not online. iC7G
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10 Jul 2013 08:30 PM
what shadow said
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iPwner1337 is not online. iPwner1337
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10 Jul 2013 08:32 PM
@Spongi; I'd argue that. I'll put a link of the comparison of the two snipers on this forum.

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TheFlightMaster is not online. TheFlightMaster
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10 Jul 2013 08:32 PM
well written and thought out.
never realized this.
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iFairyz is not online. iFairyz
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10 Jul 2013 08:32 PM
VAK is skilled

we're skilled

it shouldn't matter, none of this

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ShadowSTR is not online. ShadowSTR
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10 Jul 2013 08:33 PM
Also Vak hasn't done a FB since RAT, which wasn't even a FB.
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StealthxPro is not online. StealthxPro
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10 Jul 2013 08:33 PM
You know you can press [ and select a different weapon....
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iPwner1337 is not online. iPwner1337
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10 Jul 2013 08:35 PM
@Stealth;
Yes... -_-

And @iFairyz;
I never said they weren't skilled, and said they were in the beginning. Heh.

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Valgard is not online. Valgard
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10 Jul 2013 08:36 PM
Some of this is correct.
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l3oss is not online. l3oss
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10 Jul 2013 08:37 PM
ipwner is a vak hr !11

dont tell any1
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Altair55 is not online. Altair55
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10 Jul 2013 08:37 PM
VAK champions are really bad, though
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spongipuffle is not online. spongipuffle
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10 Jul 2013 08:38 PM
and I get constantly sniped from one shot to my head, so it's the same damage.
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Drakkian is not online. Drakkian
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10 Jul 2013 08:40 PM
Drakkian won the thread.
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StealthxPro is not online. StealthxPro
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10 Jul 2013 08:41 PM
dark no i won
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iFairyz is not online. iFairyz
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10 Jul 2013 08:42 PM
@Drakkian

if you're going to insult someone, at least do it right

lol

umad?

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Zach1102 is not online. Zach1102
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10 Jul 2013 08:43 PM
/care
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ShadowSTR is not online. ShadowSTR
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10 Jul 2013 08:46 PM
@altair
You do realize there are two vak champions not counting vaktus, one is not in vak but is in TAG.

I have never seen vorvelm fight
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iPwner1337 is not online. iPwner1337
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10 Jul 2013 08:47 PM
Again, this is just my opinion.
And Spongi; I challenge you to go test out the 2 sniper's damages. I'm basing this off of tests, not "This always happens to me I think so it must be true."

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10 Jul 2013 08:49 PM
Support.
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