iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:52 AM |
The Lotus system should not be abandoned. It's one of the only things that sets RAT apart of the chaos and huge corruption of other groups. Now, of course corruption will still be present, but it can be slowed very much because you can't just give out a promotion, they need to be earned more slowly with prestige. But Lotus really is flawed - simply by memorizing answers to Kp sessions people can rank up as long as they did good in a couple combat based trainings. Kp should be combined with Sp, so the only way to earn Sp is with teamwork, maturity, discipline, etc. All those qualities we want, right? On top of that, the prestige needed for ranks could be changed up a bit, possibly in ranges of Sp, Lp, and the rating I will explain three paragraphs down. The maximum amount of prestige you can earn daily is controversial; to make a compromise between the two systems (new and Lotus...) the limit should of course be raised to the prestige needed for their next promotion. Possibly half that prestige needed should be a person's maximum? Though, even at our current maximum, do keep in mind anyone can reach Supervisor in a mere 8 days if they attend multiple trainings to max out... a touchy subject.
The 'New System', really a chaotic method everyone uses, can so easily be abused. Just because you fill out a detailed report for each promotion doesn't mean every word they throw down isn't a complete lie. The corruption can much more rampant, so present in other major clans. An entire promotion given because of how well you do in one activity in my opinion is not at all acceptable. No promotion, with the exception of Soldier, can be valued equal to one impression a HR gets.
The new system also isn't fair to newer members. New members may not be experienced with the way clans work, that's absolutely true, which is why the Lotus system that can slowly work people up to a promotion.
I would have one other recommendation for reforming the system. Included with prestige would be a rating on performance done in the training, only judged for those who gained prestige. Like this: there's a maximum amount of points you can earn depending on how large the training is (say, a small training could earn 5, and a large could be up to 15), and how many they received for their performance. All the maximums and earned ratings are combined into one big ratio, and they have their own evaluation on their skill level. People should start off with no score, perhaps a rating of 0/50 to work themselves up from. Then, after a few trainings you can see a large improvement in this rating, and you can give them prestige based on their progression, not just how well they did compared to everyone else. This rating system also makes it harder for higher ranks to earn prestige, but easier for lower ranks balancing things out. Kind of like a credit score.
Prestige that is given out should also be monitored more. All trainings held by ranks lower than Admiral should need to be supervised in order to be official. Unofficial trainings should NOT be able to recommend prestige for massive amounts of people; recommendations should only be made to a specific person based on their individual work. Trainings are NOT about promotions, but for TRAINING! If it's official, prestige should be handed out to many members, but even then less prestige should be given out. That being said, more recommendations out of trainings should be made. If someone does well in both defending our bases and is very active defending them, they should be able to earn prestige. Not ridiculous amounts, training should still be the main source, but activity is needed and... in all honesty, we need to get active bases. Seriously.
Now, the arguments have been made that bias will be just as present in Lotus and the New System. This is absolutely true. That corruption can't be stopped, I'm not saying this will eliminate any kind of corruption but can slow it down and help lower ranks be realized more fairly.
These are my opinions concerning the promotional system in RAT. What do you think?
-Executive iIikeyou of the Roblox Assault Team |
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DragonDX1
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:53 AM |
we like it long
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iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:53 AM |
reposted because i remember how to spell and wanted to change up some stuff
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Sadcamp
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:53 AM |
tl;dr
just cause i can
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iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:53 AM |
hi sad
still making chump change stealing other people's ideas on t-shirts for VAK? lol'd
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:55 AM |
or we just remove lotus and bring back frostarian four
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Sadcamp
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:56 AM |
@ilike
i dont understand?
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iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 11:59 AM |
no slayer
sad >colored armor >pocket vaktus >vak badge from that pocket everyones
weren't you ordered by some general not to sell or advertise any pocket people t-shirts? I clearly remember that
none of them were your ideas either getoutpls
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Sadcamp
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| 05 Jul 2013 12:02 PM |
@ilike
burgerking13 gave me the template for the VAK armor,
so i tried making my own penguin armor thing
but it didn't really work.
pocket vaktus was a stolen shirt because it was expensive as heck on the original
vak badge was for the divisions i WAS in. till they got overruled and called illegal.
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| 05 Jul 2013 12:06 PM |
Lol Ilike, I actually agree with you for the Lotus. :3
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| 05 Jul 2013 12:20 PM |
| That's a good way of putting things... |
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| 05 Jul 2013 12:44 PM |
| Personaly, I find it a matter of HR's giving Sp and Kp to people they know and like, Personal opinion, favouritism, new system is better. |
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| 05 Jul 2013 12:45 PM |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GgflscOmW8
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iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 12:52 PM |
ye, kp should be removed kinda said that :(
mid, favoritism will exist no matter what... giving some prestige because of personal bias is less of an impact that giving an entire promotion lotus helps against that
i don't understand how your bias against points can blind you from it i went there
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iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 01:13 PM |
The biggest issue is the compromise, the new system allows entire promotions at once while the entire basis of the current version of Lotus is to very slowly gain promotions. We should change up the prestige needed for ranks into ranges of rating, skill prestige, leadership (if applies) and general attitude/loyalty. Pretty much, people like sami (<3) can get promoted with less prestige because... well, sami.
The amount of prestige given should not be limited, or at least not so much. Wouldn't this be enough of a compromise between the systems? There really isn't much difference between them now exception for the ranges, which wouldn't be so heavily regulated if what I'm saying could come into place.
Most of the votes are biased. I probably am too, but I'd like to think less than some other people.
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iIikeyou
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| 05 Jul 2013 01:24 PM |
| Time spent in the group could also be factored in to promotional ranges to help combat how quickly promotions can already be given |
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