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Re: RAT Promotional System

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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:12 PM
The Lotus system should not be abandoned. It's one of the only things that sets RAT apart of the chaos and huge corruption of other groups. Now, of course corruption can still be present, but it is slowly very much because you can't just give out a promotion, they need to be slowly earned with prestige. But Lotus really is flaws - simply by memorizing answers to Kp sessions people can rank up as long as they did good in a couple combat based trainings.
Kp should be combined with Sp, so the only way to earn Sp is with teamwork, maturity, discipline, etc. All those qualities we want, right? On top of that, the prestige needed for ranks could be changed up a bit, along with the maximum prestige you can earn per day. 5 is a bit high, people could just attend a bunch of trainings each day to max out, and take 8 days to reach supervisor. That's ridiculous. 2-3 is much more reasonable.

The 'New System', really a chaotic method everyone uses, can so easily be abused. Just because you fill out a detailed report for each promotion doesn't mean every word they throw down isn't a complete lie. The corruption can much more rampant, so present in other major clans. An entire promotion given because of how well you do in one activity in my opinion is not at all acceptable. No promotion, with the exceptance of Soldier, can be valued equal to one impression a HR gets.

The new system also isn't fair to newer members. New members may not be experienced with the way clans work, that's absolutely true, which is why the Lotus system that can slowly work people up to a promotion.

I would have one other recommendation for reforming the system. Included with prestige would be a rating on performance done in the training, only judged for those who gained prestige.
Like this: there's a maximum amount of points you can earn depending on how large the training is, and how many they received for their performance. All the maximums and earned ratings are combined into one big ratio, and they have their own evaluation on their skill level. People should start off with no score, prehaps a rating of 0/50 to work themselves up from. Then, after a few trainings you can see a large improvement in this rating, and you can give them prestige based on their progression, not just how well they did compared to everyone else.
This rating system also makes it harder for higher ranks to earn prestige, but easier for lower ranks balancing things out.

Prestige that is given out should also be monitored more. All trainings held by ranks lower than Admiral should need to be supervised in order to be official. Unofficial trainings should NOT be able to recommend prestige for massive amounts of people; recommendations should only be made to a specific person based on their individual work. Trainings are NOT about promotions, but for TRAINING! If it's official, prestige should be handed out to many members, but even then less prestige should be given out.
That being said, more recommendations out of trainings should be made. If someone does well in both defending our bases and is very active defending them, they should be able to earn prestige. Not ridiculous amounts, training should still be the main source, but... in all honesty, we need to get active bases. Seriously.

These are my opinions concerning the promotional system in RAT. What do you think?

-Executive iIikeyou of the Roblox Assault Team

tl;dr
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:13 PM
first

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Divinus is not online. Divinus
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04 Jul 2013 07:15 PM
I fully agree to this, also being an LR within RAT, but this argument can be stated invalid, as the outcome of the vote is already the new system. It can't be helped.
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:16 PM
i blame vicodin for my horribl grammer ok


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ShadowOfDestiny12345 is not online. ShadowOfDestiny12345
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04 Jul 2013 07:16 PM
I agree that Lotus shouldn't be abandoned, but the ways on getting it is stupid. Needs a new way to get it.
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ShadowOfDestiny12345 is not online. ShadowOfDestiny12345
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04 Jul 2013 07:17 PM
get prestige*
derped up again1
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JayIsMehNameBroXD is not online. JayIsMehNameBroXD
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04 Jul 2013 07:18 PM
Second,

I like lotus better, New members need experience before promoted.
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GeneralDomino is not online. GeneralDomino
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04 Jul 2013 07:18 PM
I could not say it better myself also I don't think anyone actually reads this

{~The Domino Hath Spoken~}
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:18 PM
ah crap1
thanks bro11


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blobmista4 is not online. blobmista4
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04 Jul 2013 07:18 PM
I'll probably continue to respond to points I pick out, but after already having read the first stanza this I disagreed with:

"Now, of course corruption can still be present, but it is slowly very much because you can't just give out a promotion, they need to be slowly earned with prestige."

How exactly does this prevent any bias which you may name "corruption"? All the admiral has to do is just find a seemingly plausible excuse to distribute wrongly earned prestige to the member slowly ranking them up with little contribution.
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JayIsMehNameBroXD is not online. JayIsMehNameBroXD
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04 Jul 2013 07:19 PM
Nevermind.
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blobmista4 is not online. blobmista4
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04 Jul 2013 07:25 PM
"The 'New System', really a chaotic method everyone uses, can so easily be abused. Just because you fill out a detailed report for each promotion doesn't mean every word they throw down isn't a complete lie. "

Well this pretty much applies to lotus too, you could just as easily lie or create an excuse to promote a member with the lotus system which coincidentally also uses a note system as seen in the infocenter. "Er, I've given this member 5 Sp, because I think they did well at training today."




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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:27 PM
I'm not saying it prevents any kind of bias, but it won't be as dramatic as an entire promotion that isn't earned, but at most a few prestige points. Bias and corruption cannot be eliminated, but we need to deal with it and monitor any large sources of it closely, the Lotus system does exactly that.
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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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04 Jul 2013 07:30 PM
We're bringing everything back to basics for the moment, though we're bringing back Immortals to its glory days.

If we see the clan is improving and is ready for more complex changes, we will apply them. Right now we've learned that the group at the moment can't support such complexity, so it's being toned down to a reasonable level at least for awhile.
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blobmista4 is not online. blobmista4
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04 Jul 2013 07:30 PM
So by introducing points you reduce bias?

If perhaps your thoughts were is that the use of points should at least keep the suitable pace and effort required to gain a rank I still disagree, all I have to do is hand out more points at one time to eliminate that suitable pace.
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:31 PM
If you look at someone's profile in the Infocenter and you see one specific person has recommended them for large amounts of prestige and has given them a much higher rating than anyone else, they can simply be investigated. If you're giving just one promotion, there isn't any trail or pattern to follow. That person may have just been having a good day and done exceptionally well at one activity - and that can't be denied. Lotus system could really help with at least slowing down the rate at which corruption spreads if nothing more.
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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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04 Jul 2013 07:33 PM
Corruption will be followed to its source and eliminated.

Promotions will require input to be put onto an Infocenter profile still, proving that there's a legitimate reason a member is promoted or demoted.
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:35 PM
Well, I hope that's the case. Will there at least be entries to the new Infocenter that don't deal with promotions, but just general feedback if someone did well/poorly and should be on the lookout for a promotion, or probation at least?
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masterscripterian is not online. masterscripterian
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04 Jul 2013 07:36 PM
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MoolegoTheCow is not online. MoolegoTheCow
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04 Jul 2013 07:36 PM
You know we can leave comments without adding prestige; You can leave comments without promoting/demoting.

There's also going to be some seriously fancy stuff in the new Infocenter too.

You'll actually want to go to it regularly.
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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04 Jul 2013 07:38 PM
well none of that was in the link on the stupid poll page

cj stop slacking

also who wants to petition roblox's updated chat gui
its dumb


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HyperiousHylian is not online. HyperiousHylian
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04 Jul 2013 07:38 PM
Give RAT to Vaktus.
The end.

-Hyperious
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blobmista4 is not online. blobmista4
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04 Jul 2013 07:43 PM
As it says in the new promotion systems a report will have to be filed. So we will not have the circumstance in which there is no log of reasons for promotion.

And you can just as easily detect bias from the promoter by analyzing the log of who they have promoted and why, if somebody seems to be getting much more leesage than others it's pretty obvious somebody is being given more leeway.

The problem is it is very difficult to create a promotion system that significantly reduces the amount of corruption as compared to sub standard, you will always have a very similar amount regardless of what you do, it's unavoidable because of the fact that the promoter can very easily just take advantage of the promotion system for how they see fit.
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blobmista4 is not online. blobmista4
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04 Jul 2013 07:44 PM
Why did I put leesage?

Anyway I meant leeway.
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iIikeyou is not online. iIikeyou
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05 Jul 2013 11:32 AM
What if the limit on the maximum prestige you could earn each day were raised to whatever seen fit by the high rank?


I mean, I understand the new system was used before and could have been a reason for RAT's glory days, but what specifically makes it so much better than Lotus? I really fail to see that side of the argument.
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