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Re: My Thoughts On Wagner

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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:28 PM
Many threads have been created about TGI's "refusal" to raid Civil. Some have called us cowards, and other idiotic and childish names in order to somehow get us to raid.

In this thread, I will be explaining my problems with Civil's fort, and why TGI will not raid it.

Most of this will revolve around the "10v10" rule.

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Our raids, our crusades, and our events happen for the benefit of our members. We are a clan that encourages all of our members to participate in group events, and to be a part of the community no matter their skill level. Upon joining TGI/TAG, they are entitled to be a part of our raids, our defenses, and our group activities.

Bases such as Wagner counter these freedoms. They prohibit our members to join, and thus, take away from the entire point of why TGI raids.

Why does TGI raid?

We raid because we want to have fun. We raid because we want our members to be INVOLVED in fun and challenging raids. It would defeat the entire purpose of membership involvement by declaring war on Civil/raiding Civil.

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>But Crak, TGI has Gladiators!

We have the Gladiators, yes. However, that is not the point of the Gladiators. They Gladiators are elitists that are supposed to work with our other members, and represent us properly in legitimate final battles. When there is a raid for TGI, there is a raid for TGI. We do not have raids that are restricted to Gladiators.

I do not see WIJ calling the Shock Troopers to raid clans to represent WIJ, that doe snot work.

>Hmph, well the 10v10 rule is just like FB's!

Yes, the 10v10 rule is like FB's. But Final Battles are one reason why this clan community is falling apart. With battles that represent a small portion of a clan, you cannot truly tell if it's the clan itself that is actually winning.

In theory, a clan could have 10 active members, win that FB, and claim victory.

>But Crak, the above you said is impossible! FB's are called when both clans are tied!

Precisely why I disagree with the 10v10 rule at Wagner. They are FB's, without the legitimate reason for having an FB.

>COWARDS!111

You should respect our decision to raid a clan that would not be in the best of our interests.

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We want what is more enjoyable and interactive to our members. To raid Civil, is to restrict those activities to a select group of people, and to involve ourselves in something that is normally reserved for special circumstances.

Such special circumstances do not exist here.

That's all.
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Ryanr23 is not online. Ryanr23
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02 Jul 2013 10:28 PM
ok
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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02 Jul 2013 10:29 PM
gotchu in the morning
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:30 PM
I'm fairly certain that you won't have a comprehensive response to this, and I honestly doubt that you read any of this.

I'd prefer someone to actually talk with me here.
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snakebattle is not online. snakebattle
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02 Jul 2013 10:30 PM
goodnight
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:31 PM
Still waiting for someone to talk to me.
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Dmoney433 is not online. Dmoney433
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02 Jul 2013 10:31 PM
"I'd prefer someone to actually talk with me here."

>Posts on C&G
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disaster88 is not online. disaster88
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02 Jul 2013 10:31 PM
Amen crak amen
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Wasneverthere is not online. Wasneverthere
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02 Jul 2013 10:31 PM
Wagner is fair.

They can make other server's with other raid commanders there.
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:31 PM
">Posts on C&G"

In the hopes that someone will post a response, which normally exists within other threads.

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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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02 Jul 2013 10:32 PM
apparently you don't know what "gotchu" means so that must mean you don't live in my area lucky for you
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fighter97man is not online. fighter97man
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02 Jul 2013 10:32 PM
Crak wins all

Caster Dane of Arcadia
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:32 PM
"Wagner is fair.

They can make other server's with other raid commanders there."

Did I ever once claim that Wagner was not fair?

I did not claim it was unfair, perhaps you should read my thread before you make assumptions that I called Wagner unfair.

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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:33 PM
"apparently you don't know what "gotchu" means so that must mean you don't live in my area lucky for you"

I honestly don't understand what you're saying - sorry. All I got out of that is that you're going to give me a half-baked response later that probably doesn't take the points made from this thread into account.
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Dinizterz is not online. Dinizterz
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02 Jul 2013 10:33 PM
LOL FIRST IRL THREAT IVE EVER MADE
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Dmoney433 is not online. Dmoney433
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02 Jul 2013 10:33 PM
"In the hopes that someone will post a response, which normally exists within other threads."

C&G posts responses, yes.

Not the type of responses you're looking for like debates with actual facts, but they WILL post responses.


Exhibit A; goodnight
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snakebattle is not online. snakebattle
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02 Jul 2013 10:33 PM
@dini its just the sense of humor
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:34 PM
"LOL FIRST IRL THREAT IVE EVER MADE "

Lovely way of showing me that you know how to respond in a *civil*ized manner.

"C&G posts responses, yes.

Not the type of responses you're looking for like debates with actual facts, but they WILL post responses."

I know this, however there's really no other way to provoke a response from certain people.
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Youshin is not online. Youshin
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02 Jul 2013 10:34 PM
well said

] - ZAX is the symbol of Darkness - [
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:35 PM
"well said"

Thank you.
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LordVydrak is not online. LordVydrak
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02 Jul 2013 10:35 PM
"I do not see WIJ calling the Shock Troopers to raid clans to represent WIJ, that doe snot work."

actually if you remember correctly they were the ones who raided EL and got 30+ wins

so yeah

that's an invalid statement
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Dmoney433 is not online. Dmoney433
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02 Jul 2013 10:35 PM
"We raid because we want to have fun. We raid because we want our members to be INVOLVED in fun and challenging raids. It would defeat the entire purpose of membership involvement by declaring war on Civil/raiding Civil."


DINI HE SAID CIVIL ISN'T A CHALLENGE, SIK 'EM
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CrakTheRaven is not online. CrakTheRaven
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02 Jul 2013 10:37 PM
"INVOLVED in fun and challenging raids."

Not going to happen when it's a 10v10 that restricts most of our members. Civil would most likely be challenging, however in no way would it be an involvement for the majority of our members.
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fourpapa1 is not online. fourpapa1
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02 Jul 2013 10:37 PM
I understand why TGI won't raid, I think civil needs to stop begging for it.
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Wasneverthere is not online. Wasneverthere
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02 Jul 2013 10:38 PM
"Did I ever once claim that Wagner was not fair?

I did not claim it was unfair, perhaps you should read my thread before you make assumptions that I called Wagner unfair."

Wagner is fair, it really wasn't for you. xdd

Try again.

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