Haerdune
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| 05 Jun 2013 02:38 PM |
That is the kind of society I feel many countries have, they make a system where greed and competition are REWARDED. Everyone's possessions are clearly marked, anyone who dare crosses that line is punished. When we die, we give it all away, and I've seen cases of people almost fighting over it like children, showing little respect to the actual deceased person.
It's a system of greed, fueled by separation and hatred. People have done horrible things in their greed, greed is a poison of the soul. Why not a system fueled by compassion and sharing, instead of greed?
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| 05 Jun 2013 02:41 PM |
| Example? I live in the USA, and I don't experience this at all. |
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Haerdune
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| 05 Jun 2013 02:57 PM |
@Maximum Everyone keeps what they have, they keep it under lock and key, make sure everyone knows it is theirs. It's a system that allows and silently encourages greed to be successful. |
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| 05 Jun 2013 03:17 PM |
Yes, but they also give freely.
What alternative do you propose? A system in which someone can just walk into your house and take your stuff? I agree, morally, this may not be the best system, but it guarantees property rights, and is the best we can realistically hope to get. |
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Haerdune
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| 05 Jun 2013 03:21 PM |
@RubiksCubix Libraries give out books for free, it's a covenant of mutual trust and respect, you trust they'll keep the books relatively clean and readable and they trust that you'll return it on time. We could live in a world where no need for property rights, no need to sue McDonalds for coffee spilling on you (Yes, that happened, look it up)
We shouldn't hoard what we have, the wealthy are allowed and almost silently encouraged to hoard their wealth and the poor suffer. People think poor people are mindless leeches, but they're not.
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| 05 Jun 2013 04:47 PM |
Libraries exist because KNOWLEDGE should belong to the community, and belong to no one.
And I agree with you on libraries, but I think that knowledge and property are different.
I would like to say that my parents started out poor. But they worked hard, got grants for poor people and scholarships to college, and now we are in the middle class. What you said about poor people is true, but in America, the system already works. How successful you are is proportionate to how hard you work. Yes, there are many outside factors, like talent, inheritance, and bad luck, so we cannot generalize, but for the most part, people who work hard get better lives. The people who are presented with the opportunity and don't take it, I am sorry to say, are 'mindless leeches'.
We don't encourage greed. We allow people to gain wealth proportionate to how hard they want to work. This isn't greedy, this enables all, even the poor, to be successful. This is why school k-12 and libraries are free, but property is not evenly distributed. |
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infinete
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| 05 Jun 2013 04:50 PM |
no need to sue McDonalds for coffee spilling on you (Yes, that happened, look it up) --- Well the coffee gave her third degree burns |
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| 05 Jun 2013 04:52 PM |
So your telling me you leave your door opened with a "feel free to take everything I own" sign plastered on your walls? Do you give away your car to people you see walking down the street?
Do you support Communism by any chance? |
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| 05 Jun 2013 05:08 PM |
| So you think I should be able to come in your house and steal all your stuff? |
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| 05 Jun 2013 06:49 PM |
| I asked for a real life example, an actual case, with proof if you can please. |
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Haerdune
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| 06 Jun 2013 03:39 PM |
@Rubiks You have good logic, people should work hard but they seem to be working hard not for the sake of working hard but out of fear that if they don't they'll starve to death. Fear can also be a poison of the soul if it's allowed to rule over you. |
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Haerdune
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| 06 Jun 2013 03:41 PM |
@Judas You phrase it like what I said, people are so definite of what's theirs is theirs and don't consider giving it away, they're allowed to hoard what they have and the poor suffer. It's not about, "Stealing" it's about being fueled by compassion, not fueled by greed. |
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Haerdune
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| 06 Jun 2013 03:42 PM |
@Maximum Go to a poor area in the globe, if you don't have the time, get as pen pal from a poor area, a place where the economy is bad and people have to constantly worry about feeding their families. Ask them, ask them how their life is, how they struggle. |
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| 06 Jun 2013 05:10 PM |
| I have an iPad. Why can someone just take it away from me? |
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| 06 Jun 2013 11:38 PM |
Why not a system fueled by compassion and sharing, instead of greed? __________________________________________________________________ If people didn't like that system, they'd get rid of it. The majority seems pretty happy. And this system has been going on for quite some time. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 12:31 PM |
they seem to be working hard not for the sake of working hard but out of fear that if they don't they'll starve to death
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This same sense of self-preservation, this most primal instinct, is manifested in relations and structures created out of interest for oneself. Norms, taboos, law, all created so society may endure.
Perhaps you would prefer to wear clothes not out of fear of exposure to the elements, but for the sake of wearing clothes. |
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Haerdune
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:12 PM |
@MahPizza Many men choose to keep their lives simple, they wear clothes but they don't dress extravagantly. Humility is how you keep things in perspective, to not love a system that makes men suffer. Not of their laziness, but out of many things. |
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pepper0
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:27 PM |
I never appreciated this cult of zero worship.
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Haerdune
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:30 PM |
@Pepper0 I don't appreciate people simplifying my beliefs to a cult. We could quibble all day over what's a cult and what isn't. I am not a cult member, I don't worship zero. The true secret to happiness is not just going by hatred and greed but by recognizing the true origin of evil, that violence leads to even more violence. |
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:32 PM |
But what's mine is mine and you are not entitled to have it.
I however am, because it is mine to do as I please. |
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:37 PM |
"Many men choose to keep their lives simple, they wear clothes but they don't dress extravagantly. Humility is how you keep things in perspective, to not love a system that makes men suffer. Not of their laziness, but out of many things."
Pardon my ignorance, but you'll have to explain the relevance of the latter two sentences.
Moreover, you have done nothing to address my assertion that acting out of self-preservation is morally sound. |
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pepper0
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:38 PM |
Those who see good in the simple and humble, is zero worship.
Also Love is selfish. Loving everyone equally and the same is the same as loving no one. Loving someone for the sake of your own kindness is the direct opposite of love. Love is an expression and assertion of self-esteem. Its response to one's own values and the person in another. |
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Haerdune
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:39 PM |
@MahPizza The world can provide for everyone's need, but not for their greed. |
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Haerdune
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| 08 Jun 2013 03:42 PM |
@Pepper0 I love everyone, if you love no one, how are you not sure you're a man? Think about it, men will get what they want through their own greed, they'll twist words, make lies. That's how evil men get into power, greedy men, arrogant men, intolerant men, hateful men who enslave those who oppose them, use violence to intimidate, to make others suffer.
There is no truly evil man, just men who are poisoned, their minds, their souls poisoned. No one is born evil, evil men are made. |
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