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Re: Summarizing the Gulf War.

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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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17 Jun 2013 10:07 AM
Late 1980's

The Dawa Party of Iraq pledges allegiance to Iranian leader Ayatollah Khomeni and begins a string of terrorist attacks in Baghdad as part of the new Shi'ite revolution.

In response Saddam Hussein chose to cut the head of the snake and invade Iran. This war lasted 8 years and while it was a military victory for Iraq it was an economic defeat.

In this war the ethnic group known as the Kurds rebelled in support of the Iranians and as a result chemical warfare was used by the Iraqi Baath government against the rebelling cities.

Desperate and pressed for options as the economy fell apart faster than Saddams family Saddam invaded Kuwait (Kuwait was once part of Iraq) to reinstate it into Iraq and utilize it's oil.

The invasion went very fast, rebels were executed and Kuwaitis were congratulated on rejoining their Iraqi brothers.

This however was against US oil interests.

It is important to note that in the 1980's when Iranians were chanting death to america Iraq was allied to the US and was their proxy against them.

So the US "liberated" Kuwait and things calmed down for a while.

Until as a response to US involvement in Middle Eastern affairs OBL launched the WTC attacks, own his own directive.

Saddam was pretty enraged over the 1993 betrayal and started spitting some fire.

In response to this the US went in to look for WMD's, none were found.

So the new (heavily corrupt, religiously discriminating dictatorship) of a government hung Saddam without fair trial.

After this several Iraqi militias and resistance movements started to kick out the US occupation.

The US ended up leaving Iraq on a time limit given to them by the Iraqi government.

During the US occupation they created groups of Shia to fight the Sunni resistance movements. When the US left these groups did not disband and that is why there is still the sectarian civil war going on in Iraq.


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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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17 Jun 2013 11:32 AM
2003
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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17 Jun 2013 11:33 AM
2003 saw the new corrupt persian pawn of a government come to power and oppress the Sunni majority, neglect the Assyrian minority, funnel the countries wealth to the Kurds and not even value the Azeri Turkmen as human beings.
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TheMyrco is not online. TheMyrco
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17 Jun 2013 11:34 AM
Mission Desert Storm.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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17 Jun 2013 11:58 AM
Not exactly objective, but factually accurate.
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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17 Jun 2013 12:05 PM
How is it not objective?

I only compiled this to enlighten the newer people here who think Iraq is the dustbowl that chants death to ___ and did 9/11 for fun.
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AeLiSTaS3 is not online. AeLiSTaS3
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17 Jun 2013 01:51 PM
Not exactly objective, but factually accurate.

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pretty much different on how the us describes it, isn't it?
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DanBloxTheGreat is not online. DanBloxTheGreat
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17 Jun 2013 02:10 PM
During the US occupation they created groups of Shia
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So "they" refers to Americans or Iranians?
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Dralin is not online. Dralin
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17 Jun 2013 02:23 PM
Pretty biased.

The Husseins weren't exactly model leaders for Iraq. In fact, as far as corrupt regimes go, they were class acts.
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DanBloxTheGreat is not online. DanBloxTheGreat
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17 Jun 2013 02:24 PM
The Husseins weren't exactly model leaders for Iraq. In fact, as far as corrupt regimes go, they were class acts.
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Were you living in Iraq at the time?
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Dralin is not online. Dralin
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17 Jun 2013 02:28 PM
"Were you living in Iraq at the time?"

There's this thing called research. You don't have to live in a specific country to know what's going on or went on there. I didn't live in Germany during the early 1940's, but I still know that the regime at the time wasn't exactly a shining beacon of multiculturalism.
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DanBloxTheGreat is not online. DanBloxTheGreat
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17 Jun 2013 02:50 PM
At the time of Saddam Iraq may have been at the peak of it's power, with the largets army in the Mideast.
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17 Jun 2013 02:57 PM
I read somewhere that the U.S. thought that Iraq was trying to get a monopoly on oil in the Near East (With a possible invasion of Saudi Arabia in the future) so that Hussein could get the States to bend to his regime's will.

Can't really say how biased it is, but believe me, I didn't get this from a textbook.
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DanBloxTheGreat is not online. DanBloxTheGreat
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17 Jun 2013 03:04 PM
Saddam did what Iran is doing today and what Ghaddafi did years ago.

He refused to accept US Dollars for oil, Iran was trying to sell oil for Euros, that's when sanctions starting popping up.
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Dralin is not online. Dralin
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17 Jun 2013 03:22 PM
"At the time of Saddam Iraq may have been at the peak of it's power, with the largets army in the Mideast."

Militarization isn't always a good thing.

North Korea has one of the largest armies in the world, but it's hardly a good country.

Saddam crippled the Iraqi economy, essentially terrorized ethnic minorities and generally abused his power, doing whatever he pleased.
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MahPizzaIsHere is not online. MahPizzaIsHere
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17 Jun 2013 03:30 PM
This history gives directs far too much attention to the human rights abuses of the current regime in proportion to its discussion of Saddam's.

Additionally, it acts as if US intervention was unjustified.
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17 Jun 2013 03:52 PM
Pretty sure this is not accurately correct. The American imposed Government was made up of a mainly Sunni army whose main rival was the Mahdi Army, a Shia resistance group. The Americans couldn't wait to leave either, the whole country wanted out, so the President was pushing for a leaving date in order to win an upcoming election.
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17 Jun 2013 03:58 PM
'Was hung without trial'
'without trial'

lemme greentext that for yoo:

>WITHOUT TRIAL


they spent 5+ hours in a court room, it was blimmin fair. it wasn't about the war, it was about saddam bombing civilians and later being caught via war.

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17 Jun 2013 04:45 PM
5 hours of their time wasted, lol.
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17 Jun 2013 07:37 PM
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17 Jun 2013 07:42 PM
the ussr was a lovely country

if u were stalin
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MaximumMinimizer is not online. MaximumMinimizer
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17 Jun 2013 08:01 PM
So, let me get this straight, the Iraqis were being imperialists and using their large army to invade their neighbors, so they could get oil, and in the process, they racially discriminated some ethnic groups, used chemical warfare on their own population, and then the US came in, bred ethnic cleansing squads, and caused even more anguish for the country, and then militias rose up to fight back against the U.S., and then they didn't go away when the USA left, and then now Iraq's still in civil war from these militias. ooh, and Saddam was toppled, and hung without trial(I thought there was a trial...? Anyway, he was a horrible person, so it wouldn't matter).
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johnnybgod is not online. johnnybgod
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17 Jun 2013 09:29 PM
That version sounds about right.
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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18 Jun 2013 02:34 AM
Saddam made Iraq great, it was the leading Arab nation in the 1970's.

The war with Iran crippled the economy and Kuwait was lowering the prices of oil and then stealing Iraqi oil with US technology.

After several attempts for negotiation Kuwait refused to stop and Iraq was in an economic war with Kuwait. Add to this that Saddams family was falling apart and he was losing favor with the Ibrahims and you have a recipe for disaster.

Saddam was a nationalist, his dream was a greater Iraq and you can not believe what he accomplished before the 1990's economic collapse.

And add to all this the Kurds who are neither Arab nor Iraqi keep revolting your not exactly going to have a nice country.

@Dan

The US created Shia groups to fight the Sunni rebels and these groups never disbanded, only whittled into gangs and now occupy cities in Iraq. This is why we have the Shia-Sunni violence.
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CommanderRoblock is not online. CommanderRoblock
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18 Jun 2013 02:35 AM
Pretty sure this is not accurately correct. The American imposed Government was made up of a mainly Sunni army whose main rival was the Mahdi Army, a Shia resistance group. The Americans couldn't wait to leave either, the whole country wanted out, so the President was pushing for a leaving date in order to win an upcoming election.
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1. Sunnis can not hold high government positions.
2. Sunnis can not join any high position in the army and in 2005 could not join the army at all.
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