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Re: Why we do not want Top Grossing Sort.

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Firebrand1 is not online. Firebrand1
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13 Jun 2013 12:56 PM
Hello All Things Roblox, I dunno if I'm just going to get a bunch of "tl;dr" here, but this seems like the most relevant forum. I'll summarize at the end.

The blog recently featured a new sorting type that has been in development called "Top Grossing." For those of you who don't know, Roblox defined their "Top Grossing" sort as ranking the games by game pass and affiliate gear sales. This means whoever makes the most money off of gear and game passes gets the top spot.

Note: This hasn't been stated, but it makes sense to assume that for affiliate sales, the amount will not be based on the creator's cut, but the entire amount of the gear.

Now, they claim that their reasoning behind this is to surface quality games, and that may well be. However, if it is solely for this purpose, a Top Grossing sort is entirely the wrong approach. Lets look at the different types of quality games out there.

First, we have the popular and quality game. These are sadly few and far between, as our low-average-age community doesn't seem to appreciate quality as much as the older among us would like. Take Apocalypse Rising, for example. Great game. Quality game. Very popular. Does it sell game passes? No. Does it sell affiliate gear? Definitely not, that would conflict with the gear system. Apocalypse Rising would be not be a front pager. In effect, Top Grossing sort would drown a quality game that has already surfaced.

Second, we have the unknown, but quality game. There are loads of these out there, with creators diligently updating their places with phenomenal scenery and/or amazing gameplay. This is the target. We want THESE games to surface. So why would we base it on how much they sell? **If they are not popular, they will not sell much** And maybe they don't want to limit their game with game passes. Maybe catalog gear wouldn't work with their game. How would basing their popularity on sales help them out in the slightest? It wouldn't. They would stay deep under the surface.

Who will this sort help then? Here's who: the very creators whose games muck up the front page. The ones who make game passes and gear. The ones who cannot script, or don't bother to learn. The ones who fill their games with free models. The ones who give their place a thumbnail that appeals to ignorant children. The ones who falsely name their place for the same reason.

Now, I'm not saying that quality games won't be up there. I'm only saying that generally the ones that sell out are not the quality ones.

Andrew Haak said the following: "ROBLOXians, by the same token, are smart enough not to spend their time or Robux on games that fail to deliver a good experience."

In a comment, I refuted this statement, and my comment was deleted.

Do you believe it? Do you believe that a game like "FEED THE GIANT NOOB" delivers a good experience? Can the majority of Robloxians really appreciate quality, as Mr. Haak implies? Look at the front page, and you tell me.

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The Top Grossing sort only helps games that sell out. These are generally the games with already low integrity. The games that have free models, fake thumbnails and names, and lacking quality (games that make front page anyway). Quality games will not be surfaced, and many that have already made the surface will be shoved back down in the Top Grossing category.
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Value is not online. Value
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13 Jun 2013 01:02 PM
The majority of ROBLOX today (of the ones that are dedicated to playing the games) do not, and will never appreciate good games, they are ignorant snobs or clueless children who do not know a thing.

It's unfortunate that ROBLOX turned into from being creative and challenging to not being creative and only challenging those who want to get a good game on a deserving spot...on the front page.
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Ipcgamer1 is not online. Ipcgamer1
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13 Jun 2013 01:03 PM
A bit too long, but I support the generalized idea itself.
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nick00788 is not online. nick00788
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13 Jun 2013 01:05 PM
Agreed.
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:06 PM
tl;dr
elelelelele
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rockandroll6751 is not online. rockandroll6751
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13 Jun 2013 01:07 PM
Agreed

Most users think games like

"SLENDER MAN JEFF THE KILLER HARLEM SHAKE SURVIVAL HANGOUT FOR 3000 ROBUX" are good games
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pokemonkiller101 is not online. pokemonkiller101
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13 Jun 2013 01:08 PM
Support.

~ ATR Kitty ~ Meow.
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pokemonkiller101 is not online. pokemonkiller101
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13 Jun 2013 01:08 PM
Fire, this may be a good thread for you too read as well, which goes with this general idea, at a different perspective.

http://www.roblox.com/Forum/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=97727583

~ ATR Kitty ~ Meow.
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pokemonkiller101 is not online. pokemonkiller101
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13 Jun 2013 01:09 PM
Also...

http://www.roblox.com/Epic-Adventure-400-favorites-SWORDS-FIXED-place?id=48944986

~ ATR Kitty ~ Meow.
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:09 PM
Just kidding.
It's a great idea, 99.9% of the community consists of little kids who will give in to anything. It's why their accounts got stolen through the sharescreen key-log method. They also can't appreciate a good game because they like fun (and they often fall for games with misleading titles and the use of the bait-and-switch scam where people change the thumbnail every two minutes).

I support, 100%. There will be thousands of games that don't deserve it on the list of Top Grossing while the builders with some actual skill and talent will be left unrecognised.
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:12 PM
Bump, THIS NEEDS TO BE NOTICED.
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rockandroll6751 is not online. rockandroll6751
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13 Jun 2013 01:13 PM
Agreed rhys

You and mini make really good places but dont get any visits due to the majority of community on here playing stupid fake thumbnail games or playing games like"SLENDERMAN HARLEM SHAKE HANGOUT BOYS AND GIRL JEFF THE KILLER SURVIVAL JASON"

Or poorly made minecraft copies
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:14 PM
@Pokemon

That game needs to be noticed, it looks amazing although I haven't visited yet. I will do sometime :)
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punks1 is not online. punks1
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13 Jun 2013 01:14 PM
Wecome to roblox.
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:14 PM
@Rock

Lol, I suck at building :P
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GoldenSloth is not online. GoldenSloth
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13 Jun 2013 01:15 PM
Totaly qgreee
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rockandroll6751 is not online. rockandroll6751
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13 Jun 2013 01:16 PM
Just looked at top grossing

Drroblixan has a fake thumbnail and title game

Some stupid games like hide and seek in a movie theater that what it looks like.

And some admin houses and free model clan place
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pokemonkiller101 is not online. pokemonkiller101
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13 Jun 2013 01:16 PM
@Rhys

Thanks. I've been working on it for about 8 months now.

~ ATR Kitty ~ Meow.
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rockandroll6751 is not online. rockandroll6751
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13 Jun 2013 01:16 PM
@rhys

You're better than me that's for sure. Best game I have made is bowling alley battles. Which sorta sucks. I have rainbow road but that might be free models.....:3
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:17 PM
@Rock

Kohl's Admin House is 100% free models. So is Hide & Seek in a Movie Theatre. They just took the Three Stooges Contest cinema and put some ODers in the thumbnail.
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rockandroll6751 is not online. rockandroll6751
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13 Jun 2013 01:18 PM
Really?

THAT is greedy

Kohls admin house is just like a small obby into a house for nothing.
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RhysEddy1234 is not online. RhysEddy1234
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13 Jun 2013 01:19 PM
Kohl's Admin House deserves nothing. It's pure free models.
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pokemonkiller101 is not online. pokemonkiller101
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13 Jun 2013 01:19 PM
By the way... on my game... it is fun to explore and buy stuff and things, but it is REALLY fun with a full server of 20 people. You can PvP other people and stuff, gets pretty fun and intense with 20 people.

~ ATR Kitty ~ Meow.
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KyleALLT2005 is not online. KyleALLT2005
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13 Jun 2013 01:20 PM
tl;dr
lel
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rockandroll6751 is not online. rockandroll6751
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13 Jun 2013 01:21 PM
Sad that roblox will not do a thing about the false title game.

They said "however it is a fake title and image it is not against the rules of roblox so we do not have a reason to delete it and/or ban the user"
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