DaBubs
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| 07 Jun 2013 02:46 PM |
(Please not this is pretty long, and if you just want to see the key points I divided it into sections)
I am making this thread to simply voice my opinion on what you are doing wrong, and I really hope some of you wake up and start hosting things that can actually get results. I'm not going to flame anyone, I'm not going to name anyone, and I don't want to sound like I'm some arrogant ass who knows everything.
But I do know enough to know that the recent trainings that have been going on are completely, utterly, straight up WRONG. Absolutely NOTHING is being accomplished with these, it is literally just the trainer running the same exact TDMs and crap, then watching people kill each other and saying "good job" to the winners.
They don't even take it among themselves to try and help trainees who mess up, they're just like "oh well that guy sucks he can't get better, better not promote him." It makes me want to slam my face into my keyboard every single time this happens.
I'm just going to break this down into two simple parts,
Part 1 - What you're doing wrong
Part 2 - What you can be doing that is right
Part 1 ----------- I. Drills, Oaths, and Lectures I don't even know where to begin, I guess I'll start with the basic things that completely waste time in a training. LECTURES, DRILLS, AND OATHS. If you are a trainer who does any of these things, you seriously need to just stop. They are a complete and utter waste of time. With Oaths and Drills, you may THINK it is showing "loyalty and discipline" when in reality it's just a bunch of people typing words into a chat box and then pressing the WASD keys to face where ever you just told them to face. With lectures however, there is a difference between a good lecture and a bad lecture. A GOOD lecture is one you give AFTER the action, explaining key parts of what so and so did wrong and how they can improve on it. You need to keep it short and straight to the point, do not stray from the topic and talk about something completely irrelevant. A BAD lecture is one you give BEFORE the action, where nothing has happened yet and you're basically just rambling on about things people probably already know. They last like 10-15 minutes and are incredibly obvious. I literally just saw an officer give a speech about how to gunfight, and he basically said "Well you want to move around, which is called dodging. However you don't want to just focus on dodging, you also want to shoot back at him"
Gee, no way!!1!1
II. Basic TDMs, SFing Tournys, and Obbies Now in a way, there could be nothing wrong with this. However, it's when you do the SAME exact thing EVERY time that it begins to just become a rut. You basically turn your trainings from something that is supposed to be both enjoyable and helpful into something that is more of a tiresome chore. Take some initiative, come up with your own scenarios or matches. Make sure it is something that could happen in an ACTUAL raid or defense, because that is what we are training for. Raids and defenses, nothing more and nothing less. Obbies are just as important as combat, for many bases require obbies to get in to. It's a pain to watch officers skip obbies, or sometimes do the obbies at Corona yet skip the wallstacking one, which is probably the most important out of them all.
III. >ADVICE< Trainers, you are exactly that. TRAINERS. What do trainers do? They TEACH trainees. When you're hosting a training and you never give anyone advice on what they're doing wrong, then they don't know what they did wrong and therefore can't improve and learn from their mistakes. And no, 10-15 minute lectures are not "advice", advice is when you are watching something like a TDM unfold, and you notice one of the guys on the red team strays to far away from his team and dies, so you tell him "Hey in a situation like this, it's best to stick with as many comrades as possible so as to increase your chance of survival, thus not giving the other team a free kill."
After the round, ask questions, see if the losing side knows what they did wrong, see if someone on the winning side knows if they did anything wrong. Answer their questions, give them your best advice on how to improve. Remember, you're a trainer for a reason, do not be afraid to try and help.
Part 2 -------------
I. Initiative The most important thing to remember about when training is what you are training for, and what you are training for is raids and defenses. That's it, that is literally all there is associated with war clans other than things like FB's which only the Gladiators fight. And since you're a trainer/officer, you should have obviously had some experience with how raids and defenses work by now. So take the time to come up with your own events, think of things that really happen in raids or defenses and make them into little scenarios or matches for trainees to fight in. And don't just run it once, run it again with the same teams after you give your advice, and try to see if there is any improvement. That is the only way to test for results.
II. Teach Them How TGI Fights A lot of you already have this down, but you guys still need to straight up state the facts to trainees. TGI is NOT a lone-wolf group where everyone is just running around by themselves in raids and such. We fight as a TEAM, so go over events that have to do with team-based objectives. If the trainees don't know how to fight as a team, then they don't have a place in TGI. We did not become one of the most influential clans on this site by simply running around by ourselves and not listening to orders.
III. Have Fun! Remember this is a GAME. People go to trainings for the experience, to practice fighting with their comrades and to get better in a friendly environment. I'm not saying discipline should disappear all together, discipline is very important. However do not completely go off on a trainee because they made a very simple mistake, simply correct them. Be strict where it counts, otherwise you come off as a jackass and no one will like attending your trainings.
IV. DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE TRAINING If you are the person hosting the training, you should NEVER participate in the event unless it's a game such as VIP. Your job as the trainer is to watch the trainees, see how they are performing and give them advice on how to improve. If you're to busy fighting in the event, you will not be able to fully observe everyone's performance. It's not that hard.
There's tons of other stuff I could go over but I think this is enough for now, if anyone has anything to add to this please feel free to comment. Remember this is constructive criticisms, I only want everyone to get better so we can improve as a group. I know my trainings are not the best either, and I am working to improve that.
Thanks for reading.
tl;dr version: your trainings are bad and you should feel bad, fix it |
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DaBubs
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| 07 Jun 2013 02:52 PM |
thars a tl;dr version there sport
and it's fo TGI trainers and peeps, der |
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| 07 Jun 2013 02:53 PM |
| Agree with everything except for Drills and Oaths's part. |
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Edelos
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| 07 Jun 2013 02:55 PM |
| yo bubs accept my steam fr |
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| 07 Jun 2013 02:56 PM |
calling your own group out (one you're loyal to) and putting it down like this isn't the best idea
if you want improvement you should talk to each and every one of the officers individually
not try to publicly put them down on c&g in hopes that they could "take it" |
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DaBubs
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| 07 Jun 2013 02:58 PM |
"Remember this is constructive criticisms, I only want everyone to get better so we can improve as a group. I know my trainings are not the best either, and I am working to improve that."
if they can't take constructive criticism, then they shouldn't be officers
and i make it public because this is C&G, and we're aclan
so yolo |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:04 PM |
It appears TGI is still behind Vaktovia in training.
Do you want me to message you some tips, Lord bubbles? |
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DaBubs
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:04 PM |
Oaths are just for roleplaying, we don't HAVE to do it.
Plus only some people like to roleplay, and it's not exactly fair to those who just want to train and improve when they're stuck reciting oaths on a digital game for like 10 minutes. |
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DaBubs
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:06 PM |
@Arcane
I could probably host a better training than every single officer in VAK right now, and so could a few of our other officers such as Brian.
We have our problems, we're working to fix them. Fact remains though I'm pretty confident we're still ahead of VAK in like everything.
Lol |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:07 PM |
I agree with everything said here.
Every time I had to take that oath I got mad. |
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DaBubs
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:09 PM |
No it's fine caste, everyone has their own opinions.
No one is flaming here, just throwing ideas out on how to improve.
#matureconversation |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:10 PM |
| I'm sorry, but that was just silly. I offered you help to get you back up quicker, and then you throw a biased comment which is probably highly false in my face. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:10 PM |
The oath is to remind you of your loyality, it's not just RP. It's to make you feel like a part of something.
Like the united state's anthem, or any other countries anthem. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:10 PM |
On a side note.
Wow this forum enhancer is pretty legitimate. |
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bliza
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:10 PM |
| This was actually really good, the oath is a bit... uncalled for. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:12 PM |
| OH WAS THAT A BOAST ARCANE? DO TELL THE WORLD ABOUT WHAT AND WHY YOU APPROACHED ME A COUPLE NIGHTS AGO. That's right, hold your tongue before you stick it out. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:15 PM |
when i host trainings for nea i make the losing side tell me why they lost and the winning side tell me why they won
normally the answers i get are like "we had more skill and worked together111" i then use that as a point to base off of to lecture on how one team flanked or used a better plan with the terrain or how someone went rambo or whatever
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EDOG999
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:15 PM |
| I always thought that when you participate in the event that it was just for activity and fun. Another thing I don't like to lecture because it is time consuming and gets in the way of the learning part. Although I strongly believe in giving advice to those who need it. Everything else I agree with. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:16 PM |
I do agree with the portion about teaching fighting, and operating as a team; but in my trainings I like to keep a major focus on discipline and respect.
The way your members act in training is the way they will act during a raid, or in a tight situation; so all kinds of listening and order understanding is of the utmost importance.
This is why I always lay out the 3 important rules before I start my trainings, because I want TGI members to get into the swing of proper self control, and intelligent action.
Like, learning not to speak unless completely necessary, and understanding semi complex orders. |
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| 07 Jun 2013 03:17 PM |
Tl; dr,
I like my trainings to be fun and entertaining, but operating fluently through discipline and respect.
I usually dont have a problem with the 2, but sometimes you need to lay the law down to host an effective training. |
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